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Even Britain No Longer Likes America's Leadership
YouGov, a British polling organization, did the survey June 26-28 and found that 77 percent of Britons polled disagree with the statement that the United States is "a beacon of hope for the world". "There has probably never been a time when America was held in such low esteem on this side of the Atlantic," wrote Anthony King, a professor of government at Essex University, in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/03/nyank103... " target="_blank"> an analysis of the results published in The Telegraph. Wrote King: "A majority of Britons think American culture and the actions of the present American administration are making the world a worse place to live in, and almost no one believes America is now, if it ever was, a beacon to the world. Well over half of those interviewed regard the U.S. as an imperial power bent on dominating the world by one means or another." Other poll results show that Britons overwhelmingly view Americans as uncaring, governed by greed, divided by class, racially split, wholly uncultured and ignorant of the world outside our borders. And these are the people who like us most in the world! Some other poll numbers:
The plus side was that our British cousins still seem able to separate American citizens from our current government, with 70 percent of Britons saying they like Americans "a lot" or "a little". That's something, I guess. But they sure don’t like Bush. Only one percent of British respondents rated him a "great leader," while 77 percent called him a "pretty poor" or "terrible" leader. "President George W. Bush's standing in this country could scarcely be lower," wrote Essex University professor King in his analysis of the poll. "George W. Bush is no Franklin D. Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower or John F. Kennedy. All of those American presidents inspired respect. Mr. Bush appears to inspire nothing but contempt." At least we can all agree on that. You can reach Bob Geiger at geiger.bob@gmail.com
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I can certainly understand,
I can certainly understand, and agree with, the sentiments of our Brit cousins, but aren't they being a bit hypocritical?
It was their very own Tony Blair who gave his whole-hearted support to our Decider-In-Chief. Without Blair's collusion, the "war on terror" may have taken an entirely different turn.
If Her Majesty's government had held out for diplomacy and UN sanctions (which were working) the PNAC crowd that camps out in the Oval Office may have had second thoughts about going it alone.
Don't confuse Politicians with Real People
There's no hypocrisy here. I don't know a single person who in any way supports the Criminal Invasion of Iraq. Neither do any of THEM. I can't speak personally about further iterations of that opinion, but I think it's a solid indicator of the true opinion held in Britain. Didn't you see how many people protested here against the Iraq Invasion the length and breadth of the UK? How about the marches after the invasion? Where you even allowed to see our marches on your muzzled media? I bet you only had access to those scenes thanks to your fantastic, vital Bloggers.
Despite very loud public protest Blair continually lied to Parliament and convinced them to sanction our filthy part in the murderous Imperialist Invasion. For a brief period all the mainstream media fell into line and supported the troops, but very quickly they started asking questions about the ensuing slaughter of the innocents as it became clear to all of us that not only had the US initiated this action with no thought whatsoever for safeguarding the security of the civilian population (allowing crucial ministries to be ransacked at will - how convenient was THAT?), but also that the entire venture was solely designed to allow those vile Corporate thieves to engorge themselves like the leeches and parasites they are at both the American taxpayers and the Iraqi nation's expense, the likes of which utter greed hasn't been witnessed for decades.
So... how on earth did Blair get re-elected in 2004 if we're all so against him? The only alternative to Blair at the time was the Conservative Party, and we weren't going to let THOSE bullies and crooks back in. There was simply no credible or competent alternative. When it came to the crunch, people at the time gave Blair the benefit of the doubt. Much less was known then in the public domain about the abuse of Intelligence and the internal cover-ups that went on as Blair picked up a few tactics from the Bushites and cloaked himself in sickening quasi-religious piety and conviction about the whole matter.
No one major news organisation has yet had the courage to take an openly anti-Blair stance generally, and we find ourselves still being force-fed a succession of propogandised memes such as "The War on Terror" and "Home-Grown Militants" etc. which serves to ramp up the Fear Factor, just as it does over on your side. I'm sure you all understand the power of this pervasive Establishment propoganda on general perceptions.
A HUGE number of us Britons want Tony Blair to face charges at the International War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity, and, despite an almost complete right-wing press blackout of such movements of public mood (due largely to Rupert Murdoch, of course), there is constant agitation taking place to force the matter into wide open view. It proves a difficult job of course because the Government completely controls access to crucial minutes of meetings, memos tec., despite our laughably-named Freedom of Information Act, but dedicated activists are persisting in prizing open the lid on Bliar's filthy dealings with your Madman.
What we DO have over here is a much freer TV network, which has fought all the way to present TRULY balanced reportage and opinion. The BBC, sadly, is not as courageous as it used to be thanks to disgraceful interference by Blair following the Hutton Report, but the baton has been picked up by the other mainstream stations, and they're running with it. Information's getting into the mainstream bit by bit.
A major TV series being run over here at the moment is looking in depth at the causes and development of the Anti Vietnam War movement, and has had some amazing interviews with Veterans and Civilians alike. THOSE are the Americans we admire, because they were willing to stand up and be counted, despite the vicious reactions and cruel punishment they received from the Establishment for daring to defy them.
We look at Fox News from over here and are just astonished at how Murdoch has been allowed to offer himself as the Neo-Con Minister of Propoganda. Believe me, he would NEVER get away with that kind of outright corruption in Europe. He tries, but he's disliked and distrusted. Sadly he's obscenely rich and has great influence. That's the allure of Corporatism for you.
Whether it hurts some of you to read the article above or just serves as a confirmation of something you already guessed, I must inform you that the YouGov poll is going to be pretty accurate statistically. YouGov have an excellent reputation.
The fact is that modern Britain has moved on from the past, yet has taken crucial lessons from that blood-drenched past regarding the abuse and subjugation of other peoples for reasons of power and colonial corruption. We don't think like the average American. We don't drop to the floor in unquestioning abbeyance at the very sight of our flag, we regard the power-cravings of religion with a healthy suspicion, and we are more and more criticaly informed of the inhumanity of unregulated Corporatism and the damage it is doing to the world.
Truth is we're waiting and hoping that True Americans can regain their country from the murderous criminals and religious extremists who have you just where they want you. Believe me, we're on your side.
PETE
Thanks for the reply Pete,
Thanks for the reply Pete, and your message is like a breath of fresh air.
We at Democrats.com know that thinking people the world over can see the absolute corporate corruption going on in our present government. And we can definitely sympathize with with the anti-Blair movement on your side of the pond.
In many ways, Blair is a Third Way proponent just like the "Democrats" who belong to the Democratic Leadership Council here in the US. These neo-liberals are in the same corporate camp as the neo-conservatives the world over. The fact-of-the-matter is, true British/American Liberalism has been infiltrated and weakened by these "centrist" posers.
Rest assured that the Progressive members of Democrats.com are as incensed as you are. We will continue to spread the word, and fight for a return to sanity, peace, and prosperity -- with a healthy dose of common-sense thrown in for good measure.
Cheers...
Blair's Exit
What's the word on when Blair will step down so the Finance Minister, Gordon Brown (sic) will be Prime Minister? Has Blair's stalling had an impact on the Labor Party?
What I envy is when the Prime Minister and his Ministers are required to be questioned by other members of Parliament. The sessions are really informative and forces the government to justify what it's doing. If Bush were required to be questioned by Congress, he would like a deer caught frozen in the headlights of a truck about to run the deer over.
I believe the Liberal Democrats were against the Iraq War from the start. What do you think of them? Are they a politial force?
If you have the time, maybe you can satisfy my curiosity. Thanks for your post.
The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God."
Thomas Jefferson, July 4, 1826
Blair/Brown
Wellll... Blair has used the ever-sliding date of departure as a weapon to keep his many enemies within the Labour Party wrong-footed through a long process of "informed" leaks by proxy. Every time things get a bit hot for him he engineers a new leak about plans to leave, throwing the party into confusion. Will it be 2007, 2008, 2010? Who knows? In the background the divisions between Brownites and Blairites gets more and more fractious, and the public don't like it.
The stark fact is that Blair will hold on to the power that he craves like heroin - like his heroine Margaret Thatcher - until the last possible moment, doing everything he can on the way out to ensure that if Gordon Brown should ever finally "take the reins", it will be to lead a party in the process of tearing itself apart.
What everyone seems to forget when they talk about the notion that Brown would ever take over as Prime Minister is that constitutionally that's absolute nonsense. Brown would at the very best hold a nominal, extremely short-lived internal Party leadership measurable in weeks or months at best, whilst a rapid and bloody leadership battle takes place.
Blair has other more loyal aparatchiks in mind to inherit his dogmatic throne, such as the Scottish Thug Dr. John Reid, or the possibly insane Ruth Kelly (Exposed as a member of the appaling Opus Dei, and therefore completely unsuitable to hold her position as Minister for Equality).
On Blair's departure there would immediately be a parliamentary vote of No Confidence in the government led by the delerious, whooping Conservatives, forcing a snap General Election in which the Conservative Party led by slimy, ingratiating David "call me Dave" Cameron - a man who has modelled his every nuance and claim of reformist legitimacy on Blair and who therefore is becoming very appealing to all those middle class voters that Blair poached from them in 1994 - would probably slide in with a slim majority.
That's the intended endgame, I believe. Blair has always been a thinly-disguised conservative, and it's rumoured that he would rather hand power over to the Conservatives than the Labour Party, who would presumably try and dismantle some of the disastrous Corporate-Friendly feeding troughs that Blair has saddled us with. One of the first people he visited after he came to power was Margaret Thatcher. That's the truth. Blair has always admired her, and it shows. She in turn openly admired Blair. Why else do you think Rupert Murdoch instructed his newspapers to support Blair in 1994? It takes one to know one!
The general electorate will never vote for Gordon Brown to be Prime Minister anyway. Brown supported the war, is a Globalisation devotee, and has personally overseen the virtual dismantling of the National Health Service and Education system by forcing the reviled Private Finance Initiatives on the nation's assets, crippling them with contract guarantees to parasitic companies who are draining massive resources which should be have been spent on state modernisation. Even the buildings used by the Inland Revenue are now owned by a Private company based in an off-shore tax-haven to avoid paying UK corporation tax. How utterly disgraceful is THAT? Getting the miserable, dour Brown after Blair would be like trading Lenin for Stalin!
The Liberal Democrats were openly against the Iraq invasion, that's true, and many of us had hoped that they were in the ascendancy. The truth is that the Lib Dems were appearing to be greater socialists than the Labour Party. Sadly, after a leadership battle following the sad resignation of Charles Kennedy after his alcoholism was (quite appropriately) spotlighted by the media, they now have an unelectable leader - the thoroughly pompous, autocratic, charmless pensioner Menzies Campbell. Campbell has no charisma whatsoever, and on the rare occasions that he has actually made a statement in parliament it has been wooden and embarassing to witness. It is understood that Campbell seeks power for power's sake, and he is reputed to be quite a bully within the party.
Until the Lib Dem's get rid of him they have little chance of improving the political spectrum of the UK, which is a great shame. They're squandering the goodwill they'd worked for so hard under Kennedy.
What we'll get instead is a Conservative government which will openly support the Iraq invasion and any other criminal ventures embarked on by the US, since so many of their chums are drooling at the chops to exploit those tasty profits to be made from other people's misery!
PETE
p.s. - here's a link to my own blog which I haven't had time to keep up with for months due to other projects, but which I will be bringing back to life in the near future. Hope you enjoy my Asylum Earth alter-ego, Nurse Riches.
http://thelunaticscookbook.blogspot.com/
Thank you very much!
for taking the time to provide me your very detailed information.
Besides the wonderful tradition of periodically grilling the Prime Minister in Parliament, you have another custom that is very appealing. Your media was able to drive out a party leader because he was an alcoholic.
As you may know, the Decider was a devoted mean wet drunk convicted of at least one DWI and an admitted cokehead (and with rumors of bisexuality and abortions with some of his female playmates) until his 40th birthday when he found Jesus in the bottom of his bottle. Assuming he has remained a dry drunk and not substituted other substances for abuse (which is not a certainty based on his behavior and inability to speak English), he's still a drunk with all the negative psychological baggage that comes with it. Our media certainly didn't hound the Decider on this central pillar of his make-up; they just gave him a pass. Reportedly, the Decider's public mischief won him the unflattering role as the central character of a hit country-rock song (Bojangles?).
Again, thanks for the info and I'll drop in on your blog to keep up to date on the UK scene.
"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God."
Thomas Jefferson, July 4, 1826
Excuse me?
This coming from a country that always prided itself for the fact that "The sun never sets on the British Empire." I agree with Bill on the hypocritical aspect of this poll. Sounds a bit more like jealousy than castigation.
"We need a President that is fluent in at least ONE language."
I'm glad the Brits speak out
Their press is so much freer than ours that I learned about the PNAC from The Scottish Sunday Herald! As long as the Brits have a voice, we can read their free press , opinions, and polls through the Internet. The Brit press is the new voice of freedom for Americans to read and listen to . The London Times also gave us the Downing Street Memos when it was barely reported in the USA at all (and only after American bloggers wrote American news papers demanding that they report the DSM too).
Without the Brit press and the Brit people speaking truth to power, we would be in the dark ages in America.
God Bless the Brits!!!
Excellent Point!
The European press, as a whole, surpass their US counterparts as journalists. Al Jazeera is even more likely to do actual reporting of the facts on the ground rather than merely the intermediary between Bush press releases and other propaganda and the American public.
this dosnt say much, I mean
this dosnt say much, I mean the fact that one country dosnt say another is the "beacon of light and hope" dosnt mean they dislike that country....this is a very radical question its like asking "do you love chocolate more the anything else in the world? or do you despise it with every viber of your being" it dosnt say if they are in favor or not, it just says they disagree with the statement they were giving ...heck it dosnt even say WHY they disagree maybe its something as meticulous as the wording.
'Wrote King: "A majority of
'Wrote King: "A majority of Britons think American culture and the actions of the present American administration are making the world a worse place to live in, and almost no one believes America is now, if it ever was, a beacon to the world. Well over half of those interviewed regard the U.S. as an imperial power bent on dominating the world by one means or another."'
This is not too surprising because Bush stated that the goal of the US was to retain it's status as the sole superpower, by hook or by crook (militarizing space, Raygun's Star Wars and, I think, a whole new generation of nukes) in his September 2002 statement of the US' national 'defense' posture.
Blair is also reportedly in the same rathole as Bush as far as the British public are concerned.