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So Pat "I am ignorant" Robertson should not
apologize?
You know these freaks and whacko's just might
do what he said and try something like this.
So it is OK to sanction killing and assassinations now
It is the Krishtun thing to do?

You sound a lot like your namesake. Anyone who would support Robertson (the bigot and phoney "christian") is not a Democrat, and certainly not a Liberal.

First of all, Saddam was NEVER a threat to us, and second, calling for the murder of ANYONE, especially a democratically elected head-of-state, is criminal. And btw, Robertson did not "apologize," he said that he was "misquoted." Like any good neocon, he lies to cover up his cowardice.

Who are you really? You sound like some recent trolls we've had the pleasure of escorting to the door. Are you next?

He (Robertson) is a terrorist by definition of the Patriot Act.

http://tinyurl.com/xxul

Under Title IV,
(Sec. 411) Includes within the definition of "terrorist activity" the use of any weapon or dangerous device.
Redefines "engage in terrorist activity" to mean, in an individual capacity or as a member of an organization, to: (1) commit or to incite to commit, under circumstances indicating an intention to cause death or serious bodily injury, a terrorist activity;

If a radical imam had said this, what do you think you would happen to him?

Come on. The Bush administration hates Chavez because he's a populist. A democratically elected populist that won by a larger margin than Bush could ever dream of getting. His people love him because he is sharing the wealth of their oil sales with them, and locking out US big oil interests.

Chavez refuses to be bullied by Bush, and fights back by selling oil to the countries that cause the most irritation for the neocons, at discounted rates. If Bush would just shut his sophomoric pie-hole and focus on getting along with the rest of the world, we wouldn't have this problem as well as many others like North Korea.

As for terrorist links, I don't have any hard stats, but I can't remember the last time a Central American Roman Catholic rammed a plane into one of our skyscrapers.

might have misunderstood me.
Sorry..My post was unclear.

Robertson is a terrorist by formal
definition,not Chavez.

I'm not a fan of the Patriot Act ( No s***, Sherlock)
but by their friggin definition, he fits the bill.
Chavez is not a terrorist.

You da man!

;-)

He did have second thoughts;

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html

(CNN) -- After two days of criticism, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson apologized for his controversial suggestion that the United States should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

"Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement," Robertson said. "I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."

can join the rest of the Bushista terrorists. I hope there are repercussions for all of them...and not nice ones.

I again reiterate Skull & Bones - Pat Robertson is a Yale Grad. where Skull & Bones has its' home !

Need I say more !!

Robertson and Skull & Bones are compatible?

Of course, in Robertson's case, his daddy got him a job counting booze bottles in Japan instead of leading troops in Korea.

Wonder if Repugs in the service are as afraid of the bullets coming up from behind them as they are for the ones coming from the other side?

I think that you might have some of your "facts" wrong. MS 13 is not a Venezuelan gang. To try to draw a connection between what Robertson said and MS 13 and Hugo Chevez is just too long a stretch unless you have some proof to present.

MS-13 got started in Los Angeles in the 1980s by Salvadorans fleeing a civil war. Many of the kids grew up surrounded by violence. Del Hendrixson of Bajito Onda, a gang-outreach program, remembers an MS-13 member who recounted one of his earliest memories: guarding the family's crops at the age of 4, armed with a machete, alone at night. When he and others reached the mean streets of the L.A. ghetto, Mexican gangs preyed on them. The newcomers' response: to band together in a mara, or "posse," composed of salvatruchas, or "street-tough Salvadorans" (the "13" is a gang number associated with southern California). Over time, the gang's ranks grew, adding former paramilitaries with weapons training and a taste for atrocity. MS-13 eventually adopted a variety of rackets, from extortion to drug trafficking. When law enforcement cracked down and deported planeloads of members, the deportees quickly created MS-13 outposts in El Salvador and neighboring countries like Honduras and Guatemala.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek/

Proud member of the reality based community.

You gotta believe right now that the only thing keeping me from torchin this guy is the knowledge that I will be disparaging this site that I well respect. We definately need an outlet for humiliating guys like Brush.
How about it guys. Even my high school year book had a slam page.

Oh god you are insane.

a refuge of luxury I cannot afford in which to indulge. The ones formerly know as "the crazies" are running our country. How little time we have. Thanks for your concern colors

Dear Monitor,

Thank you for filling us in on how evil the leader of the Republican party is, but we kind of already knew that, and that is why over 59 million Americans voted to fire him last November. I knew George W. Bush was evil back in 1998 when he mocked a woman who was scheduled to be executed.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/25/evangelicals.frist.ap/index.html

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- An evangelical group has begun a weeklong advertising campaign in Iowa criticizing Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist for backing expanded embryonic stem cell research.

"We know Iowa is a way to get everybody's attention," said Gary Cass, head of the Florida-based Center for Reclaiming America. "Our hope is Senator Frist will hear from Iowans and they are kind of a bellwether state in the heartland."

Iowa is a critical state in the presidential nominating process and Frist is considered a potential candidate for the Republican nomination in 2008.

- in case he does not want to apologize.

IMHO.

"The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself." (Proverbs 11:25)

You've always had a lot to say based on your experiences with this kind of government.

is not connected with Skull and Bones...instead, it has a name of it's own: PNAC.

Repugnants wrote it. Repugs believe in it. Repugs are willing to cheat, lie, steal, mass murder and pass themselves off as christians just to get PNAC to be the 'law of the land.'

Cap, you really need a reality check.

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness"

-Timothy 6:10

Pat Robertson's Business Practices

Pat Robertson is a wealthy man. An extremely wealthy man-some estimates put his net worth at 140 million. He lives on the top of a Virginia mountain, in a huge mansion with a private airstrip. He owns the Ice Capades, a small hotel, diamond mines, and until recently, International Family Entertainment, parent company of the Family Channel. How does a televangelist, who is supposedly involved in non-profit work, manage to create such a fortune for himself? Apparently, between dealing with murderous dictators and ripping off senior citizens, its not that hard.

I know my parents taught me to keep my nose out of other peoples business, but Pat is just too interesting to ignore.

Mining Controversy: Robertson Takes Flak for Gold-Mining Venture
"Freedom Gold has not yet mined much in Liberia, but it is already producing critical media attention for its founder."
Chuck Fager

When televangelist M. G. "Pat" Robertson tried to buy into a Scottish bank in 1999, a public outcry forced the bank to cancel the deal. Now Robertson is taking flak for another business deal. In 1998, Robertson formed a $15 million company, Freedom Gold Limited, to look for gold in Liberia. In 1999, the company signed an agreement with the government of Liberia to begin gold-mining operations.

Freedom Gold has not yet mined much of the precious metal , but it is already producing critical media attention for its founder and principal investor.

And this one from our friend Greg Palast is the fun one saved for last

Pat Robertson: 'I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist'

It's time someone told you the truth. There is an Invisible Cord that can be traced from the European bankers who ordered the assassination of President Lincoln, to Karl Marx, to the British bankers who funded the Soviet KGB. They are members of the 'tightly knit cabal whose goal is nothing less than a new order for the human race under the domination of Lucifer'.

If you don't know about the Invisible Cord, then you have not read New World Order by Dr Marion 'Pat' Robertson. This is the same Pat Robertson that the Bank of Scotland recently named chairman of its new American consumer-bank holding company. Interestingly, the Scottish bank's biography of Robertson failed to mention New World Order, the 1991 bestseller that the Wall Street Journal, in a mean-spirited review, described as written by 'a paranoid pinhead with a deep distrust of democracy'.

So here is a glimps of the real xtian-right

Proud member of the reality based community.

How in the hell can you take anything Pat Robertson says seriously? He's an atypical bible-thumping right-wing Republithug hypocrite. As far as a threat from South America...get rid of BUSHCO and the threat goes away. His policies in Iraq and Afghanistan were and are a non-issue. In the first place, we're there illegally and in the second place ANY war worth fighting is a war worth winning. In other words, nuke the bastards and if you're not willing to do that then the reasons for going to war in the first place must've been pretty lame anyway. How we can presume to tell other nations of the world how to act when we are such a dismal failure at home is beyond me. I just hope I live long enough to see this house of cards crumble and the crooks and thieves in charge of our current government are looking at three concrete walls and bars on the door.

that Chavez has asked for extradition of Robertson to Venezuela. Chavez has called Robertson a terrorist and would charge him with terrorism.

Perhaps Robertson may have finally opened his worthless yap one too many times.

The Global Warming Question!

The following is an article from the WashingtonPost.com:

Hurricane Bears Down on Gulf Coast
"Thousands Flee Area as Vulnerable New Orleans Braces for Direct Hit"

By Christopher Lee and Peter Whoriskey
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, August 29, 2005; Page A01

This could be the storm that everyone feared. Hurricane Katrina, one of the strongest storms ever to threaten the United States, carved a path toward the Gulf Coast yesterday, packing 165-mph winds and forcing the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of residents of New Orleans and the region.

If Katrina makes landfall as a Category 5 storm -- winds greater than 155 mph -- it would be only the fourth to do so in the United States since records have been kept.
"This is a very large hurricane, a very powerful hurricane," said Lixion Avila, a forecaster with the National Hurricane Center. "Wherever you have the eye of this system, you are going to have a potentially catastrophic disaster there. This is the worst-case scenario for a hurricane."

I wonder if now the pseudo-scientists in the Bush Administration will admit that there just “may” be a problem with Global Warming. Maybe his brother Jeb will tell him to consider it as Florida keeps getting hit time and time again with quite sizable and destructive hurricanes. Then again, maybe not because after every ‘cane he and George get these great photo-ops showing the “compassion” in compassionate conservatism and a chance to distribute federal funds to the hard hit Floridians thus creating another surge in their popularity in that State. Maybe Jeb could now fly to Louisiana to give compassionate support to their Governor so that he will have a photo-op to use in 2008!

The following is a clip from an article in NYTimes.com about Irving Kristol, the neoconservative former editor of The Public Interest, who encouraged corporations and conservatives to invest in pseudo-scientific conservative think tanks to put out supposed “scientific” papers (non-scientific of course) to provide favorable economic analyses for corporations, cast doubt on results of scientific Global Warming studies to favorably support the corporate and the Bush Administration’s contention that proving that Global Warming is a fact is in dispute and finally that intelligent design should be taught as a scientific theory and you know who wants that to happen.

August 5, 2005
Design for Confusion
By PAUL KRUGMAN

You might have thought that a strategy of creating doubt about inconvenient research results could work only in soft fields like economics. But it turns out that the strategy works equally well when deployed against the hard sciences.
The most spectacular example is the campaign to discredit research on global warming. Despite an overwhelming scientific consensus, many people have the impression that the issue is still unresolved. This impression reflects the assiduous work of conservative think tanks, which produce and promote skeptical reports that look like peer-reviewed research, but aren't. And behind it all lies lavish financing from the energy industry, especially ExxonMobil.

There are several reasons why fake research is so effective. One is that nonscientists sometimes find it hard to tell the difference between research and advocacy - if it's got numbers and charts in it, doesn't that make it science?
Even when reporters do know the difference, the conventions of he-said-she-said journalism get in the way of conveying that knowledge to readers. I once joked that if President Bush said that the Earth was flat, the headlines of news articles would read, "Opinions Differ on Shape of the Earth." The headlines on many articles about the intelligent design controversy come pretty close.
krugman@nytimes.com

Then maybe Bush and the corporate lobby would ask Pat Robertson to help deflect the claim that more severe storms are being caused by Global Warming by praying that Katrina’s power will dramatically be reduced. He is of course directly tuned into God and the Bush Administration.

Of course if you ask Pat Robertson to do that, even with the urging of such powerful interests, he may say something similar about God causing the event, as he did about New York and 9/11, to punish these people for their sins. And heaven knows New Orleans is a very sinful city and probably deserves to be devastated.. I guess that’s really possible because he probably could have stopped Katrina just like he stopped hurricane Gloria. To backup that point his quote follows:

(Regarding his prayers to keep Hurricane Gloria away from Virginia Beach) “It was 'extremely important because I felt that if I couldn't move a hurricane, I could hardly move a nation” - Pat Robertson

In any case let’s pray for the people who have been devastated by this huge storm that I say has been caused by decades of human pollution of our global environment. Send up a prayer for Pat Robertson hoping that his lunicy will disipate. Let’s also pray that the corporate lobby, the Republicans and the Bush Administration wake up the serious threat that Global Warming poses for the World and for the American people. Let’s also pray that it’s not too late to do something about it.

“A nation that destroys it’s soils destroys itself. Forests are the lungs of our land, purifying the air and giving fresh strength to our people”. - FDR a great American President

Shayne Munger