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 it is a no choice

 it is a no choice

Hi Lori, whats to discuss? Biden is an almost perfect match up

for Obama. Lessee, his treatment of Anita Hill, the bankruptcy bill, his sleeping with the credit card industry, his penchant for testing the wind before taking stands. He used to be a part of the Daschle/Geppy 'get close to Bush' crowd. Then there was his IWR votes...bad for Hillary, good for Biden and Edwards. Little sexism there maybe? Seems so in any case.

Of course, this could all be for naught, Hillary just might get the nomination at the convention.

A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.

Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623

 

The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.

Hi Old Friend

Feel good to be back here. Feels like the old days, and it feels good. At least varying opinions are allowed here. I was a member here before that other BS site. Prodigal Dinger here!

Great Choice

Change at the head, and Experience to manuever throught the massive BUSH IT ACCUMULATED FOR EIGHT YEARS!

mommapanther

I'm not too happy this morning

after seeing who Obama picked! I've been the Hillary for President supporter all this time. Obama called me one day last fall to ask if I would help in his campaign! I firmly said NO because I was for Hillary. At the end of our conversation he said, "Well, Mrs. Morrison, you know when it comes time to vote, you have to think who the RIGHT candidate will be" (or something to that effect). Ever since then, I thought about what he said and listened to him speak more often. He has been VERY inspirational and that always does catch my thoughts. In the end I could see Hillary had no chance. Lately, I've been supporting Obama for the sake of the Party because I do like him. I've been writing to his website with the thought in mind HE needs to think of the RIGHT VP and with that in mind, is Senator Clinton. I don't know who the progressive Democrats want as VP, but to me half the voting nation voted for her and she deserves more consideration. Now if there is any thinking on this at all, people out there should be uprising and saying "we want who we want" and we don't need it to get this far and already bad choices are being made!

It seems he picked Biden as a chess move for McCain. Biden will probably say the right things for Obama moving forward to get the vote. But to me it seems if Obama himself can't say the right things to the McCain side to get the vote, I'm wondering if he really should be President? I would have been totally certain to see Senator Clinton as the pick for President or VP. Especially since half the voters chose her! Now I'm taking another step back and saying to myself, "What am I to do now as a voter". Just because Bill is suppose to speak at the convention for him doesn't mean I'll vote for Obama. I will NOT vote for McCain though either!

Maybe I'll write Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot for President in November!

"Writing in" Hillary's name

"Writing in" Hillary's name is a vote for McCain. Hillary fought a good battle, and would have been a good candidate, but the fact of the matter is that she did not win enough delegates to prevail.

If you cannot commit to the Democratic ticket as put forward after the Convention, you may be on the wrong website.

Bill, that was just a

Bill, that was just a "thinking out loud" statement. I'm not on the wrong website. I've been a Democrat all my life.

Voting

If you write in Hillary's name for president, you might as well vote for McCain. If you don't want McCain to be our next president, you need to do just what Hillary and Bill are going to do, VOTE FOR OBAMA. You may not agree with everything that he does but I doubt if you would have agreed with everything about anyone else that might have been elected. I believe that Obama is a far thinking man and picked Biden to help him in the areas that he doesn't have much expertise. Right or wrong, he is our best choice for president unless we want our country to continue to go downhill. Remember, Hillary herself said, "we must unify". She is correct! If we don't, we can plan on 4 more years of the Bush/Cheney regime, or possibly worse. Keep in mind that through June, 2008, McCaine voted with Bush 100% of the time. That, in itself should help you to make your vote count. However, I do understand your frustration if you were originally a Hillary fan. I like Hillary and I think she will make a wonderful addition to the Obama/Biden administration, if they win. I also think that Obama brings a fresh new look to Washington DC and I admire him greatly for his resolve to leave the lobbyists and Big Business out of his campaign funds. Good Luck!

Obama vs. Hillary

Please don't write in Hillary's name. You are wasting your vote and giving McCain a better chance to win. Is that what you want? Is that what Hillary would want? Four years of McCain/Palin could set back women's freedoms for the next twenty years. Do you want them to appoint the next Antonin Scalia to get rid of Roe vs. Wade? Are you old enough to remember when abortions were performed on someone's dirty kitchen table? Well, I am and no, I didn't have one, but a friend of mine at the time did. It's an awful experience to begin with but done under those circumstances it's horrifying, grisly and life threatening.

Equal pay for equal time? Forget about it. A raise in the minimum wage? Forget about it. Fiscal responsibility? No way. A good foreign policy? Ha! An end to the war in Iraq? Hardly. McCain says we could be there 100 years.

So if you supported Hillary in the primary, support her now and do what she is asking you to do, vote for the democratic ticket. A vote wasted is a vote not counted.

I don't get it.

Biden, Obama, Hillary, Edwards ?

WE HAVE FAILED TO CHANGE THIS NATION, AND DID SO OVER A YEAR AGO:

ALL of the front runners barely touched on where this Nation should head. And that is an overstatement.

I just don't see how our salvation can come in a Candidate when the Nation is not even asking the right questions. ALL of the front runners timidly tip toe around Conservative sensibilities on bread and butter issues, rather than roaring in with earth shattering economic changes.

And if this too is a chess move then how can one criticize a later chess move?

I don't see success until we get our own Rush Limbaughs, our own media machine, etc. In other words, until WE prime the Nation.

In the meantime Obama/Biden beats McSame/McSame regardless if my first pick is not there.

You're right, Jim, they all

You're right, Jim, they all barely touched on where this nation should head. That's why it's so confusing for me! Yes, they are all timid with their thoughts about regular issues, yet alone any earth shattering ones! I had my heart set on Senator Clinton because I was stuck in the 90's. Today it's a whole different world! I finally realized one day that I was thinking in the wrong direction. I still like her and think she could do well. But as long as Senator Obama is ahead with all of this, I'll support him to the end, just like I did with Hillary.

I think they have to have the chess moves to get around to the other side. I don't like politics because of all this kind of thinking that has to go on. I've never followed it like I have in the past eight years. I'm sure others feel the same way. It has to be a pretty serious situation to have that happen.

Yes, I agree so much that we need better better speakers in the media, etc. I know there will be issues with any president that comes along. But it's just that we have to get this nation in a different direction.

Well, I have to go get the bread and butter at the store right now :))))

Just...

...don't fill up with gas after food shopping!!!

At least not without an E.R. near by ;)

Short Course

Here's the short course in what we're facing.

I couldn't stomach it.

But I did click on the link ;)

That is about as far as I got.

No pain, no gain, Jim

Well, thanks for trying. This may be a 12-step program for you. Each day, if you can just get through 5 seconds, in two weeks, you'll be through the whole short course. :)

It was an astonishing little piece of editing, wasn't it?

And those are just the overt slams and slurs. We still have all the covert machinations from the architect.

I watched

the entire clip. Do I get a cookie?

You can have a cookie

though I was going to give you a gold star.

You two...

...are either very brave or on Dramamine ;)

2 words

George Carlin. He's one of my favorite comedians. That and having a republican for a father. I've heard worse.

;)

My only explanation for why families have both Liberals AND Conservatives in them (mine included), is that life eschews equilibrium.

It may even be THE definition of life.

As the moon stirs the ocean via the tides, I've tried to see even Rush Limbaugh as a force of "life".

Ok, so it hasn't worked and I despise that &$%&$&% *&%*&^ (*&^(*&^. I'd like to (*&^ (*&^(^ *%#@%$#@.

But still...

My family

has 2 democrats, my mom and I, a republican, my father, and an independent who thinks that everyone is an idiot, my brother. It makes talking about politics interesting. ;)

I hate to be a stickler

I hate to be a stickler about spelling and grammer, but I believe that you transposed an "*" and a "^" in that last sentence.

LOL!

I did not see that coming!

Stickler about what Bill...LOL

Oh yeah, spelling and grammEr(?)...ummm, how about an A there.

A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.

Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623

 

The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.

grinch

I think Bill was referring to my spelling, and my lack of reference to Rush's influence on deeply red states like Indiana.

Perhaps he had a particularly bad run in with folks in Grammer.

Limpballs has an influence

Limpballs has an influence on Red states? I thought it was the other way around...

"Boil-on-his-ass...

...I-will-not-fight...but-it's-great-for-you" Limball's influence has ended.

The new gen is 2 to 1 Democrat.

I knew that...;-)

I knew that, and apologies to Kelsey...;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelsey_Grammer

(above for Grinch, since he doesn't watch TV)

The Speech in Illinois

I just watched Joe Biden speak in Springfield, Illinois. I think he has the story right regarding what is wrong with this country. He seems like a personable guy. He and Obama seem very comfortable with each other. I'm happy with those two things. I know how I just said I would write Hillary Clinton's name in on the ballot, but now I don't know. Senator Obama is a smart guy and I'm sure he picked the best person he feels he can work with and that is very important. A leader has to make his own decision about those kinds of things and not make the decision because it may be popular, it has to be the RIGHT decision for himself/herself , in order to do their job. I say Senator Obama made a decision based on finding someone who can help him do his job right and that hopefully is a good thing! It could be that Obama wants to center himself with individualist thinkers and not "yes" men (women)!

The bankruptcy law that Biden authored may have been rewritten by Bush anyway. It seems that all the bills that attempt to get through are redone by Bush in some manner. Whether or not I am right on that, I don't know. So how much of that bill was Biden's and how much was Bush remains to be seen. I do know it was a bill that was all about the corporations by the time it was passed!

It's hugely important for the Democratic Party to stick together in this! We cannot let McCain/Bush win! I hope others feel that way too. In our neighborhood alone, there has been quite a number of foreclosures and bank-owned homes. There is one sitting unoccupied just on our street. The last time I looked, there was almost 300 foreclosures in our county which consists of rural and several small towns. We and our adult children, who have professional jobs, are feeling the pain of the gas prices. Food prices have gone sky-high. It goes on and on! As long as the Democratic Party knows the direction to work at fixing this country, I will support them. I will not work against it all because this is too important to get it all wrong!

PatriotMom, I'm with you.

Too much is at stake here.

I too will support the Democratic ticket of Obama/Biden.
I will support the Democratic ticket, period.

Another four years of McSame is unfathomable.

Hell, THE MAN DOESN'T "REMEMBER" HOW MANY HOUSES HE HAS!

Talk about being out of touch with working people!

----and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You hit on something

that really concerns me...And I don't want to sound like an ageist, but I really wonder if McCain has the mental faculties to be President. Think about the number of times he's shown himself to be confused. Although the number of houses gaffe may be a red herring.

Chip, it concerns me also.

McCain may not be able to handle the responsibilites
of the office.

He has changed dramatically over the past eight years.

Ageism

McCain indeed doesn't have the "mental faculties" to be president. But it is not his age that has brought him to this state.

If you saw Ted Kennedy at the convention, you know that even at 76 and with brain cancer, he still has more mental capacity than McCain!

Cheeez ... I'm 71 and could run this country if I had to!

McCain is a prime example that "war is hell." He really never recovered from his imprisonment. It made him what I identified in him years ago ... a loose cannon -- but malleable.

McCain was "chosen" ... as Reagan before him ... to play the "role of president". The people who will really run the government have been doing so since W was elected and would continue to do so, most likely from their "undisclosed location" which, for all we (don't) know, is still in place in the mountains near DC and ferrying in staff on 3 month tours as was originally revealed. (Look it up!)

It isn't how many years you have ... it's what you have done with your years and what the years have done to you. That's not ageism ... that's life.

Obama can only grow and mature. McCain will, like an "old soldier," continue to "fade away." (Gen. MacArthur said it first.)

Gillian, you are correct.

Mental deterioration can come at any age.

I'm a Boomer, growing up in the 60's.
( better living through chemistry)
I've certainly seen a lot of early burn outs
and crashes.

Many people in their 80's and 90's
are lucid and sharp.

McCain's big change is due to something else as well,
imho. My guess is it may be health related.

Out of touch

He, McSame, can't remember how many houses he has AND thinks that you are middle class if you don't earn over $5,000,000.00 per year! That's FIVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, folks. We haven't seen that much in our lifetime, (74).

I've said it many times

I've said it many times before, but I believe that it is important to bring it to the front of this conversation again: it doesn't make a damn bit of difference who sits in the Oval office, or who the VP is!

The only hope for this nation at present is to elect patriots to Congress who will fulfill their duty and obligation to maintain effective and non-partisan oversight of the Executive Branch. That is their main function, and we have not had such a Congress in decades.

If we continue to place all of our hopes and dreams for a better Republic, and one which meets the intent of the Founding Fathers, in a single "messiah," then our representative and Constitutional form of government "of the People, by the People, and for the People," is toast!

Elect as Many Democrats as Possible!

Bill, yes, we do need a strong Congress. But the President is Commander- In- Chief and is able to spend whatever he needs to provide for the common defense until Congress gets around to be able to declare war or provide budgets or whatever. Meanwhile the president is out there sending out troops, spending money, doing whatever it takes to provide for the common defense. That is the President's job to do that. It certainly does make a difference who sits in the Oval Office!

We just got done having someone sitting in there who sent us to the wrong war, used signing statements to change the bills, etc. We need both a strong Congress and a strong President. We need to change the whole thing around. We need huge problems corrected. That will happen when we have more Democrats in office and a strong President. The world has changed tremendlously and it seems to me we need a strong VP also.

It may sound like I am depending on one person to do all this change. In reality, I know that is not it. A team of people is needed to change things. The right kind of leader has to know this and make it happen. People are always saying who cares who is in office because they are all corrupt. Someone said one day they thought "what if we had no political parties and we just elected a person who wasn't in any political party". Would it end the divisive thinking? I don't know.

The country needs some kind of leader. When I speak about a particular person running for President, I'm not thinking of them as a "messiah" or the country as a "Republic". All I'm thinking of is how things have changed in a corrupt way and we need to correct it because it effects my family and people in general. That President, who is in office now, certainly has made a big difference in our country for someone whose job is not very meaningful!

Dubya has only been able to

Dubya has only been able to send us into an illegal war, stomp on the Constitution, loot our treasury, and take this Republic/Country so far off-course because of a do-nothing, corporate-controlled, Congress. Even the dual roles of President and CIC do not trump the Constitution, and the Congress has Constitutionally-mandated oversight over both roles.

It is already the responsiblity (and sole authority) of Congress to declare war, determine the budget (the Executive proposes, the Congress approves), and enforce checks and balances on the Presidency. For the entire term of this Republican dictatorship, the Congress has given the BA carte blanche to do as they damn please.

The Executive Branch is only one-third of the tripartite power in this country under our Constitution. Under certain circumstances (i.e., a veto-proof majority) the Congress has considerably more power than the Executive. During Dubya's Congressionally-enabled dictatorial rule, we have become a lesson in how NOT to run a Representative Constitutional Democracy.

You are correct when you say that it DOES matter who sits in the Oval Office, but only when the Constitution is ignored. I am correct when I say that under the framework of our Constitution, it should NOT matter. Because of the dismal failure of Congress over the past several years, we are not protected from either a Republican, OR a Democratic wannabe "rule by signing statements" dictator.

Until we stop electing corporate sheep to Congress, and begin once again to elect partriots, we deserve what we get. The combined Congress is the ONLY voice We, The People have in our government, and WE have allowed that voice to be neutered and silenced.

Apparently, I am not the only one who feels this way either. Why do you suppose that Congress has consistenly tallied significantly lower public approval ratings than even the worst president in the history of our country -- the criminal who currently resides in the Oval Office?

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/congressional_ap...

That's how Pelosi has failed

Pelosi exemplifies everything that is wrong with the legislature, so in that sense, she is a good leader. She has kept her troops - most of her troops - "in line" and no threat to the White House.

She is a treasonous disgrace to her oath of office, and while those words are both harsh and truthful, they are mild compared to what her historical footnote may be.

Pelosi, Nancy P., nee D'Alesandro - First woman Speaker of the House, who assisted the second fleet of American fascists to undermine the Constitution and the rule of law by aiding and abetting Bush-Cheney Corporate Crime Administration. Nicknamed "Pivotal Pelosi" she single-handedly gutted the legislature's oversight of the administration and immunized the administration from constitutional accountability by obstructing justice, declaring that impeachment "was off the table."

Well-known for her hubris and sense of self-importance, she described her position as "very important," third in line to the presidency, while waffling on issues Americans considered of real importance to them.

She left office in disgrace after leading the Congress into lower poll ratings than the president she protected and losing a bid for re-election to Rep. Cindy Sheehan after the San Francisco housing bubble burst, impoverishing many of her constituents who went "upside down."

She was indicted after the second American revolution for co-conspiracy and racketeering in multiple attempts to aid and abet the Bush-Cheney administration.

She died before the trials, saying on her deathbed that she wished she had known her real power was vested in upholding the U.S. Constitution, and tearfully apologized to the American people, especially to women and their daughters, for "screwing their political pooches."

Too true Chip. Pelosi takes

Too true Chip. Pelosi takes her marching orders from the DLC-wing of the Senate: the DSCC. "Centrists," "Blue Dogs," and traitors all.

They are more concerned with being re-elected than with upholding the Constitution. They would rather feed from the corporate pig trough, than share an honest meal with their constituents -- We, the People.

Bill, I'm on the same page.

Bill, I'm on the same page. Don't need to get into all that. Just need to consider a leader with vision to get the whole thing going. No one is a "messiah".

Pelosi is doing her job but it is questionable

"She is a treasonous disgrace to her oath of office"

After reading these comments, I don't understand why Pelosi is responsible for all those treasonous actions in the video that is on this thread. She has only been in office since Jan. 2007. All those issues happened before she became Speaker.

She is definitely not the sole person responsible for the real estate failures of California,  in particular her own area of San Francisco, not to mention the whole U.S.

By my statements above, I'm not saying anything positive or negative about her and her leadership. I agree that all of Congress has been a joke for many years, not just the last few years. Its been horrendously difficult for Dems to get anything passed through the Senate after Pelosi came into office and before she was Speaker. 

I just want to know why you think anyone else would be better? What will Sheehan have to offer us instead?

There has to be a combination of a good Speaker and a Congress with integrity. The Speaker hasn't always been a very powerful position. Only when the time was right and the right combination of people came together did that happen.

It sounds a bit dramatic to say history will show she cried about it all and said she was sorry... I just don't think so.

The elections of November,

The elections of November, 2006 were a mandate from the American people for the Democrats to step up and put the brakes on this runaway administration, and uphold their oath to defend the Constitution. Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the cowardly "centrist" Democrats failed to to even get started on that mandate. They are no better than Joe Lieberman, Rahm Emanuel, and the rest of the self-appointed "leaders" of the DLC.

The DLC-wing of the Democratic Party (DLC, DCCC, DSCC) are little more than Republican-Lite, treasonous cowards, and are more concerned with being re-elected than with protecting and upholding the Constitution. We did not work that hard, and that long, to elect a Democratic Congress, only to see them spit in our faces and side with the neoconservative corporate shills that funnel payoff money to them.

Pelosi may not be the "sole cause" of the problems facing our nation, but she is one of the very few who are in a position to do something about them. She has not. And worse, she has stated categorically that she will not. The "centrists" in the DSCC will not allow her to veer from the corporate path, and she does not have the courage to stand up to them. She is follower, and not a "leader."

There can be no "Democratic Unity" until the faux-Democrats, and Third Way "centrists" of the DLC, are replaced with real American Democrats, and patriots. Examples are Dean, Conyors, Wexler, and yes, even Kucinich.

To answer your question about what Cindy Sheehan would offer that is different?: the honesty to act upon her, and our, convictions with respect to upholding and protecting the Constitution of the United States of America. Nothing could be more important at this juncture in the history of our nation.

Bill, I do hope that Cindy

Bill, I do hope that Cindy Sheehan would be able to offer the "honesty" you speak of if she were able to be Speaker of the House. Human nature being what it is, I can't "see the forest for the trees" with that thoughtful idea regarding Sheehan being Speaker instead of Pelosi. It's hard for me to know what the future holds with that idea because I don't know that much about Cindy Sheehan; except she started the activism regarding the war, which is a good thing.

Your term "real American Democrats" is a little hard for me to understand. I agree, the examples you gave of who they are show they are patriots with good intentions, but have not carried their causes all the way to the end where we citizens can once again be a little more happy about things in general. Maybe that is Pelosi standing in the way?

We sure do need to uphold the Constitution of the U.S. of America and that is for sure! Our country has been let down in the last eight years, which is an understatement!

Cindy Sheehan is not running

Cindy Sheehan is not running for "Speaker" (it is not a General elective office) but to replace Peolsi as a Representative from California. Pelosi is neither cutting it as a Representative, nor as the SOTH. Any number of other, senior Democratic Representatives could, and would, do a much better job in that position.

"Real American Democrats," are just that: Americans who believe that the Constitution means what it says, and their Democratic Representatives and Senators who honor their oath-of-office by at least attempting to defend and protect it.

It is not only Pelosi standing in the way of the traditional American Democratic movement (as practiced by FDR, and recently articulated by Howard Dean), but the "centrist" New Democrats of the DLC/DCCC who give her her marching orders, and who (like Pelosi) openly oppose Dean and the DNC.

The oath-of-office taken by all civil servants only realistically applies to "defending and protecting" the Constitution from traitors who operate within our system of government. It is highly unlikely that Iran, China, Russia, or any other foreign power could cause any harm to our Constitution, unless they invaded and conquered us. True harm could only be accomplished by American political traitors, and those who appease them. Neoconservative, corporate-owned Fascists, and the apathetic, self-important, neoliberal "centrists" who aid and abet them, come to mind.

I’m going to point out the Giant Pink Elephant

There is a huge problem with our voting system:

 

Of the 100% of people in our country who are legally
eligible to REGISTER to vote,

only 50% do.

Then only 50%-60% of the people who register actually show
up to vote.

That means only 25%-40% of our voting population is voting
and

60%-75% are not.

Do the math.

Our votes are SUPPOSED to be majority rules.

I know most people (both Republican AND Democrats) write
this off to people not caring enough, blah, blah, blah. While I'm sure there
are some people who do not care about the Elections, this is indicative of a
huge problem that effects EVERY American; In the multiple choice exam we call
our elections we are told: “you have to Pick A or B.”

WE ALL NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
WHO DO NOT VOTE, NOT VOTING IS OPTION C: NONE OF THE ABOVE. 75% OF AMERICANS DO
NOT WANT TO VOTE FOR EITHER THE REPUBLICANS OR THE DEMOCRATS.

I feel this is a pretty convenient way to write off 75% off
the voting population that doesn't agree with what our country's VOCAL
minorities argue over.

So this problem grows and every election more and more
people are ALLOWED to sit out of the election because they aren't Red or Blue
or even Purple. They care, they want to do something, they just aren't informed
enough to know what to do.

That's the sad thing: that this Majority doesn't even know
it is the Majority, because neither side will address this issue, AND NEITHER
WILL THE (supposedly ‘liberal’) MEDIA.

So next time someone you know says they don't vote, talk to
them. Don't lecture them about how they need to pick between the lesser of two
evils. Politics shouldn't turn into an argument, it should be a free exchange
of Ideas and then the most widely accepted Ideas get implemented. If you don't
get your way that shouldn't mean your vote didn't count, it should mean
somebody else's Idea was the best of all possible options, according to THE
MAJORITY.

I maybe wrong about all of this.... but maybe both sides
should focus their energies on getting 100% voter turnout. If all of our
countrymen can’t even participate in a democracy why are we trying to force one
on Iraq?

 

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

Thanks, now I see what you

Thanks, now I see what you mean, Bill.

Biden fills a need

   Joe Biden is a good vice President,  filling in where Obama is weakest.  He blunts the "lack of experience" issue.   He counters the "elite" charge.   He brings the "identify with" emotional pull to blue collar workers.   He will be the scrappy hatchet man while Obama continues to be presidential, and visionary.

     

 

 "Nobody can do everything, Everybody can do something.

Afghanistan

I think we have to escalate in Afghanistan. That is the war that we should have been worried about winning in the first place. We need to make sure that the Taliban don't make any more of a come back then they already have. The war in Afghanistan is justified, unlike the one in Iraq. Our soldiers in Afghanistan need more help, which is why Obama wants to send more troops their. Things have been declining in Afghanistan because the troops we needed were busy in Iraq, hopefully this will change things.

Haruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuka

Submarine   USS Wahoo  ss238

From one tombstoned DU'r to another, LostinVa is going to be all by herself over there without us!!!! haha

WAHOO/PARCHE

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