Oil drilling off Florida/s coast

We need to take action against oil drilling before too late

Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-06-21, 6:18PM EDT

Folks, We need every Floridians voice to stop this.

I just sent the email below to the Governor of our great state. I'm extremely concerned that political expediency is clouding the debate over an issue that is so important to Florida - keeping oil rigs off our shores. The bottom line is that no amount of drilling will reduce gas prices, and politicians shouldn't be giving people this false hope.

Please read my email and help me get the truth out about drilling by writing a letter to the editor of your local paper today.

Governor Crist,

You and I have worked together on many, many issues. While we don't always agree, I have always respected you for your willingness to engage an honest debate and avoid the rank partisanship that has defined our state for too long.

So it is in that spirit that I urge you to reconsider your support of Senator McCain and President Bush's position to lift the moratorium on drilling off the shores of Florida. Although I am confident that we will disagree on who to support for President, we both should be able to agree that Florida's pristine coastline should not become just another chit in presidential politics.

What is most distressing has been the argument that we should lift the ban because of the high cost of gasoline. It is simply not fair or accurate to suggest that allowing oil drilling off the Florida coast will do anything to alleviate the currently oppressive cost of fuel. In fact, the Bush administration issued a report saying exactly that just last year, and John McCain himself admitted as recently as three weeks ago that this would not help consumers at the pump.

I think your initial instincts on this were right and I urge you to retreat to your original position that protects our pristine coastlines.

You and I agree that we should not gamble with our state's economic future. So let's protect our coastlines by maintaining the moratorium on drilling off Florida's beaches.

Your friend,
Dan Gelber

I feel very strongly about this issue, as I'm sure you do. I want lower gas prices like everybody else, but misinformation and dangerous policies won't do anything to bring them down.

With our help, Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States, and he understands that if we're going to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, we're going to have to get serious about investing in clean, renewable sources of energy - not destroying our beaches for a relatively minute amount of oil.

Don't let your friends and neighbors be fooled by this political ploy. Drilling won't reduce gas prices, and we ought not to even consider risking Florida's tourism-based economy.

Click here to use the Party's Letter-to-the-Editor tool to set the record straight today.

I'll let you know if I hear back from the Governor.

Sincerely,

Dan Gelber
Democratic Leader, Florida House of Representatives

   
   

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you cant drive to work on a pristine beach!

What is really going on here?  It seems like somebody needs to use
scare tactics to keep us from utilizing our own energy resources.  Dont
you think we are more ecologically responsible than any of our Arab or
African friends?

Our gas prices will go down ONLY when the world market understands
that America is serious about becoming energy independent.  Before that
can happen, we need an energy plan other than "Sue Opec, free SRO, tax
oil companies, and stop drilling".

Government has had at least 20 years to work on this.  What have
they been doing other than conspiring to raise taxes, kill babies, and
placate the homosexuals? 

Wait - i dont want to know!

You work on a beach, Clyde?

The government kills more than just babies; it's selective in the taxes it raises, depending on who is in majority at the time; and I'm not sure how it has placated homosexuals. You're thinking about Larry Craig, aren't you? Or are you referring to what republicans would like to do with male pages?

Usama bin Forgotten

Placate homosexuals?

How precisely has the government worked to placate homosexuals? Was it with DOMA? Or was it another bill or something that I missed. If you have any proof I would love to see it.

Hi Haruka, welcome back. The

Hi Haruka, welcome back. The clown you responded to is long gone, AND forgotten...;-)

Hi!

I'm glad to be back, and glad that that person/thing is gone. I'm trying to get caught up. I'm finally getting used to a full class load at college, so now I have to try finding a job. That's going to be fun, I'm sure. I'll try to be more active around here though.

Obama wants to get serious about investing in clean energy?

Go on his website and he has his whole policy laid out already, but where does that funding come from? Obama wants to create a Windfall tax on major profits to provide a $1000 dollar rebate to American families as well as fund his policies. One of the few things that most people will remember from history class is their professor stressing that we learn history so we learn from our past in order to make the correct decisions in the future, so why try to recycle a failed Carter admin policy at all?

If we let the past teach us anything its that Obama's energy plan will cause investment to shift to distrubution of oil rather than production, increasing our dependence on foreign oil. Sorry to say, but today's world, thanks to the government created infrastructure, is designed for oil. It really doesn't make sense to me, oil companies take 90% or more of those profits and invest it back into the company which is a far better alternative than letting that money sit in foreign hands.

Moving on, with reduced investment comes reduced dividends from the Windfall tax, Carter's program reported less than 20% of its projected revenue, if thats the case this program is going to be very underfunded and Americans won't see that tax rebate. Also, wheres the funding for alternative energy research and implementation going to come from when this Windfall tax fails? Escalating the nightmare would be a spike in lawsuits, which occured during the Carter administration. Lawyers are going to be lining their pockets with some of thsoe remaining Windfall tax dollars.

Nope.

---50% of all American professions make a stack of hundred dollar bills less than 1.6 inches high each year.

---90% of all American professions make a stack less than 4 inches tall.

---Some in the top 1% make a stack OUTSIDE OUR ATMOSPHERE a full 30 miles high.

This is not due to either labor or innovation, but rather the inertia of wealth.

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Taxation can be increased ENORMOUSLY at the top with ZERO effect on productivity. Unless of course you feel Paris Hilton will refuse in her present labors and instead dig ditches rather than deal with a decreased income via those taxes.

But is this ethical? Of course it is. In part: Wars are fought to defend a Nation's wealth. Folks should pay in PROPORTION to the wealth they need defending. In addition, since folks at the top do not have the shear number of bodies to defend that wealth, they should pay additional taxes as partial compensation.

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Because Communism sucks and Competition works, mid level hacks have f@@@ed this Nation over by extending anti communist arguments way beyond their range of applicability. The majority of folks at the top are without real skills and dumb as rocks. The gloves need to come off. Capital needs to be returned to those who do the labor and provide the innovation.

Jim

What?

What exactly is your point? Part of Obama's plan is to tax the oil corporations (which are treated as individuals), not the wealthier higher-ups in the companies. Welcome to American capitalism, if somebody is willing to pay, it's ethical. Show me examples of ridiculous taxes with zero effect on productivity.

and whered exactly did you get your figures? a 1.6" stack of 100's is roughly $16000, you can get more than that on an hourly wage, high school job if you put in the hours wheras 30 miles worth of 100's is roughly $20 billion.

My points:

---First, I was laying out the broad brush strokes that explain how conservative men, without the balls of those they worship, have sold out the vast majority who provide both the labor and the innovation: Soldiers, Cops, Scientists, etc. And yes, Paris would continue in her labors at a far lower income than she presently maintains. It is only mid level hacks that marvel at the brain dead at the "top". And yes, despite Conservative's reckonings, Soldiers, etc. are UNDERPAID. I started here because your attack on Obama's plan proceeds from false assumptions. Groundwork needed to be laid.

---Second, I don't have a hundred on me (because I just filled my tank with gas provided by CONSERVATIVE economic reckonings of the last 8 years) but I do have other bills:

My caliper reads less than 4 mils. (A mil is .001 inches). 1.6 inches is 1600 mills.

That means 1600/4 equals 400 one hundred dollar bills. That equates to $40,000.

(Actually a little higher because my bill did not measure a full 4 mills but you get the point).

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Oh and thanks again for all that CONSERVATIVE brain work getting us from :

-LIBERAL INCOMES to crap.

-Historic Surpluses to Historic Deficits.

-1 buck a gallon gas to 5 buck a gallon gas.

-etc.

And if it's not too much trouble could at least one of your Conservative leaders actually kill the shit heads who attacked us on 911 rather than chasing oil bucks?

Jim

ZERO tax on Necessary Income.

The Conservative Taxation of Necessary Income must end. Capital must returned to the vast majority who provide the labor and innovation.

Revenue Neutral Democratic Plan:

1- ZERO tax on the first $65,000 made by all Americans.

2- ~35% tax on additional dollars. (Exact amount to be debated).

If you think Paris Hilton will not continue in her present labors with a lesser income (due to the above) then don't help this along.

-It is the taxation of NECESSARY income that kills productivity.

-Taxation of Luxuries MAY kill productivity if it is not countered by the lowering of taxation in other sectors.

Jim

If anyone thinks that the

If anyone thinks that the current Bush champions Conservative thought, you're sadly mistaken. I'm not going to argue about Iraq, a lot of government officials have a lot of ties and contracts riding on Iraq.

And I'm not arguing that increasing taxation on individuals won't hinder productivity much, but for energy at least, Obama wants to fund it with Windfall taxes, a failed Carter policy. It's stupid to say that somebody wouldn't be working as hard for a few million dollars less, but when you target the corporations and not the individuals in that corporation, those profits don't go back to the company, so investors look elsewhere.

Moving on, I'll go by your estimates $40,000 dollars, that means some people in the top 1% would be making nearly 50 billion a year.

Also, blaming economic shortfall on Conservative though it completely misguided, the market works in cycles, what comes up must go down. Anyway, its not that we can't find any of that in Democratic presidential terms. Lets look to the father of the modern Democratic party, Mr. Carter. Gas prices were astronomically high and inflation was running rampant. Not to mention Carter aided the North Korean nuclear program outside of his presidency (spurred by gore and later backed by Clinton) and he abandoned the Iranian Shah which could be given some credit as to the rise of radical Islam.

Blaming shortcomings on Conservative thought is completely misguided, both have posted outstanding economic records (Reagan, Clinton) whereas both thoughts have produced glaring disappointments (Nixon, Carter).

Yes, but...

...my point was to argue against MYTHOLOGY not details.

Once one converses with fellow Americans about details, well then we do need extended conversation, and I'm fine with dissagreements.

Markets are critical, it is simply that extra market forces exist. You are noting that markets go in cycles. Another way to view that is to look at the details and admit that gross arguments about economic forces FAIL in fine detail, and folks can collectively attempt to fix that. I.E. Government.

Now, clearly government can also screw up, but the myth of a "market" of billions of people, always leading to ANY defined end, is false.

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I have no problem with disagreements about details but I would ask you to START fretting about what happens to the vast majority when capital is withheld by being pooled via the inertia of wealth. Once one begins to concern oneself with both the bright and hungry rich AS WELL AS the bright and hungry poor (with a potentially much large gene pool) economic arguments take on a Liberal flavor (and I do not mean Left Wing). Of course if Conservatives began to eschew non scientific nonsense like "Young Earth" theories, etc. AND entertained the above, then I would also be fine with calling this Conservative thought. Or perhaps best yet: Americanism.

Jim

Income...

99% of all American make less than 1 foot of hundred dollar bills per year.


With resources equally divided, Market forces reflect fundamental American values.

This includes allowing dullards and the lazy, to do poorly, and the bright and driven, to do well. Selfishness is both a birthright and can advance the group.


Once the Market includes folks with mile high stacks of cash the Market is skewed tremendously.

The bloated do not innovate nor do they labor as the vast majority might.

The Market IS manipulated.

It can either be manipulated by:

-Big Money

OR

-Cooperation amongst the vast majority (via the voting booth)

The Far Right and Far Left are incorrect. Americanism should prevail. That is why I'm a Liberal, but a rose by any other name...

Jim

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