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election fraudStay informed about voting system fraud folks! Here is the latest on a long list of stories about the problem. The solution is to ban all electronics from vote counting. We need to return to hand counted paper ballots, counted in full public view at the precinct on election day. Paper "trails" on voting machines are of no use as they are not ballots that are actually counted. Electronic optical scanners can also be hacked as was shown in the Emmy nominated documentary "Hacking Democracy". http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/ Vote by mail is risky because there is no clear chain of custody of the ballots. http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/vote_by_mail SECRET VOTE COUNTING is the problem, full transparent and open vote counting is the only way to ensure fair elections. It is also importnat to maintain local control of elections at the precinct. Movements towards large centralized systems do not allow for local oversight. In the Ukraine, voters cast paper ballots in a clear secure box in the middle of the room, the box is emptied in public view, and votes are counted by hand, a simple solution that we could consider. Vote counting is not rocket science, every layer of technology adds new vectors for fraud. Read "Hacked! High Tech Election Theft in America: 11 Experts Expose The Truth" If Democrats are tired yet of being ripped off in every election, then quit looking for techno fixes and support simple hand counted paper ballots! Stay informed ya'll! Listen to this radio program Sunday 2-4pm CT on We the People radio Network, and also to the archives available on line. Vote Rescue Radio http://www.wethepeopleradionetwork.com/programs.html#Karp Computer Scientists:2008 US Presidential Election Can be Hacked http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5890 and Former AL Gov. Don Siegelman Says media Ignoring Details of His "Electronically Stolen" 2002 Election; has given story to 60 Minutes, Dan Abrams, LA Times, WaPo...All have failed to report his allegations while covering other aspects of His story http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5889 and Federal Fraud Complaint Against Voting machine Company Unsealed: After Two Years, the Qui Tam Suit Against Hart InterCivic, Brought by Whistleblower William Singer with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Mike Papantonio, May Proceed After DoJ Declines to Join Case http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5847
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Paper ballots with paper receipts for all votes
cast is the way to go. All votes should be counted accurately.
Thank you for posting this, Jenny.
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Voting Fraud
thank you Jenny for this important information
I agree the hand counted votes via the 'Urkraine method' that are controlled by local precincts (and perhaps also videotaped for good measure) sounds like the way to go.
As you may have noted the Republicans recently defeated a bill to have paper ballot verifications for elections. There is a huge concern that election results have not been accurate, particularly in the last two presidential elections.
When polls say that Senator McCain is running equal with Democratic candidates, even though most Americans do not support the war, one has to wonder if the electorate is being 'set up' for a false result in November. This is particularly a concern when very biased pollsters like Frank Lutz are observed kowtowing to right wing pundits in the media. Additionally, Karl Rove has been reported to have used black mail tactics to influence the govenor's election in Alabama--if this report is accurate, there is no reason to think that he would not apply these tactics to influence other votes and elections. The documentary "Hacking Democracy" presented clear evidence that voting results have been tampered with, most recently in Florida and Ohio.
What actions can citizens take to combat these frauds? Will democrats make sure there are exit polls at every voting place--especially where there are no paper ballot trails?
Without accurate voting results, we do not have a democracy. This issue should supercede all other issues in importance.
Election DAY? No, Week! In summer! Online!
Election Day is coming soon! Is anyone asking the following questions? Last time I heard anything, Gephardt was asking them right after the 2000 debacle -- that's eight years ago!
About Election Day:
- Why is it only one day?
- Why is it a weekday?
- Why is it a winter's day?
- Why is it close to major sports' playoffs?
About voting:
- Why can't we vote via fax?
- Why can't we vote via telephone?
- Why can't we vote via text-message?
- Why can't we vote via snail mail?
- Why can't we vote via ATMs?
- Why can't we vote via the Internet?
There are already very secure systems using all these methods that we trust, e.g., we trust faxes with insurance claims, ATMs with our money, snail mail with our personal information (e.g., tax returns), even the Internet with all those and more via secure sites beginning with "https://". Why can't we trust any of these with our vote?
Andy, you have posted this
Andy, you have posted this exact same word-for-word message numerous times, and in numerous forums on Democrats.com, and it's little wonder that no one ever responds to you.
Election dates (with the exception of the quadrennial General Election), methods of voting, and the equipment used, are established by each individual State. There is no "uniform" standard that the States must follow, and the Federal Government has no power to direct the various States on voting procedures.
And for your information, yes -- all of these questions have been asked, over and over. The problem, as I have explained above, is that they need to be asked 50 different times, to 50 different State Legislatures and Governors.
I suggest that you expand your "single-issue" posts to other areas of concern, and address more pressing and solvable problems. You may want to start with a campaign to change the voting procedures in your own State.
I agree that elections
I agree that elections should be held for a month or two weeks not one day...in order to maximize voter turn out. it is frustrating that we can obtain accurate telephone results for American Idol votes but not for our presidential election. due to the grave concerns about fraud, we should keep in mind the reality that each layer of added technology, vote transfer and secrecy, is a potential for fraud. The clear box 'ukraine method' described by Jenny sounds like it has the least potential for fraud. At the end of each voting day, reps from each party should hand count votes openly and a publicly posted tally should be made available to record the results.