Universal, Single-payer Health Care

Most folks in my county either have no health (or dental) insurance or else pay large amounts for poor coverage and suffer bacause thay can't afford the "co-pay" fees.  Since all other Western industrial countries seem to be able to provide decent coverage to its citizens, what's wrong with the US?  How can we educate ordinary citizens about the deficiencies of our current system and organize and mobilize them into a force which will push our elected officials into providing quality health care for all through a system comparable to that of the French or Canadians?

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Everyone in the US has

Everyone in the US has access to health care. The argument isn't over access to health care, it's over who is going to pay for it. Right now the best answer to the question "How do we reform the US healthcare system?" is:

1.Tort reform to prevent lawyers from feeding off the system.

2. Offer to the public the same insurance options available to government employees.

3. Make all health insurance premiums tax deductible.

 

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until they make it free.

P.J. O'Rourke

Universal coverage is the first step.

The first step is not reforming the healthcare system -- it’s permitting everyone access to it, probably through a single-payer type of insurance.  The healthcare system is satisfactory, but getting everyone access to it is the big problem.  It will not be free, as some people like to state, but will be paid by taxes and should be a single-payer system, like Medicare.  There are many forums where the features of such a single-payer system are described. But the primary reason for it as envisioned today is to achieve universal coverage and to relieve a healthcare provider from having to deal with a myriad of insurance companies to receive payment for services or get permission to treat, etc.  At this point, a federal system, perhaps an expansion of Medicare, seems doable.  If insurance companies were willing to trim their expenses and provide universal coverage for a reasonable rate, they would be welcome to compete for segments of the system.  

But, how do we do that?

I totally agree with your vision.  The problem is moving from moving from where we are now to that goal, and what holds us back is the lack of public awareness and concern.  I think that with the release of M.Moore's film we have a window of opportunity to generate concern among the populace, but what I'm looking for are some ideas about developing an action plan.  An important part of the strategy needs to recognize and deal with the formidable opposition which will arise from the insurance and pharmaceudical industry and its allies. 

Oh, really?

Dear Argus:

Only the wealthy have access to adequate healthcare, and as a result we rank near the bottom of the list of 30 industrialized countries in almost every measure of health care quality.   We do, however, top the list in one catagory....cost.

 According to a report done for the Commonwealth Fund, the US spends 13.9 % of its GDP on health care, an average of $5,267 per capita.  The is a 53% higher per capita cost than ANY other country!  if we compare the results (our "bang for the buck"), we might note that Japan (which spends only 7.8% of its GDP on healthcare) is #1 in life expectancy, whereas the US with 13.9% expense is #24.  Simply genetics, you say?  Consider the fact that most Americans are of European origen, and yet almost all European countries beat us in all measures of health care quality at far lower per capita cost, even including their Arab and African minorities.  Maybe geography?  Well, consider Canada.  We spend almost 50% more of our GDP ( and an even higher percentage on a per capita basis) on health care, and yet Canada beats us hands down on national health care quality measures.  Adn, don't bother to tell me anecdotal evidence about "long lines", because statistics show that the average American actually waits longer for almost all procedures except the most "elective" ones, such as face lifts.

 Also, spare me the BS about the importance of "tort reform".  Of the $5,267 per capita dollars spent on  health care in the US, the Commonwealth Fund found that only $16 went to medical malpractice settlements (most to the payment itself, with far less to the legal fee), so the importance of "legal fees' (your #1 suggestion for reducing cost) is clearly insignificant.

And, as for tax deductions, they don't mean a thing to folks who don't make enough to itemize their deductions, which means that most Americans, particularly the poor, would receive no benefit at all.  Of course, such a scheme would give the rich yet another break at the expense of the rest of us.

When I was a kid, I was informed that the "Red Chinese" system would eventually fail because it accepted ideological purity to trump competence and scientific rationality.  Could it be that you have allowed your own "conservative", mean-spirited ideology to blind you to the statistical facts, or is it that you are, in fact, following your leader's instructions to lie over and over in order to "catapault the propaganda" in an effort the promote the agenda of insurance companies and a few fat-cat medical specialist practitioners?

Please, if you are going to comment in an effort to educate others, could you at least back your position with at least some valid data?

Uh, I hate to mention it,

Uh, I hate to mention it, but what is the source of your information and "valid data," and where is the link to that source? Inquiring minds want to know...

P.S. I don't believe that argus will be responding to you.

data

Most comes from a report done by a series of academics for the Commonwealth Fund which was published in 2005 that I Googled up.  I didn't save it, but you can probably locate it by searching "per capita health care cost" or "per capita legal health care cost" or something like that.  I first started to respond to Argus by stating that I was sure that the cost of malpractice suits was small, but then i decided to find out how small and searched.  Even I was surprised to find out how absolutely insignificant the cost of legal settlements was (less than three tenths of one percent of health care costs).  Let me try to find the link again...................Got it!

   First, if you want just about any statistic on health care, you can go to www.commonwealthfund.org and look through their "Recent Publications"  As for the data I used, check out the Commonwealth publication of july 12, 2005 entitled "Health Spending in the United States and the Rest of the Industrialized World"

 

Thanks...

Thanks for the link. I live in Hawaii, the only State where employers are required by law to provide health care insurance to their employees (yes, even including Wal-Mart).

To the best of my knowledge, no company has gone out of business because of this additional cost in the 20+ years since the law was enacted -- by a Democratic State government.

As a result of this law, there are very few Hawaii residents that do not have good health insurance, and there is even a State-sponsored program for them: the State of Hawaii Insurance Program (SHIP).

Every one in the US has a bad health care system

<<Tort reform to prevent lawyers from feeding off the system.>>

 It's not the lawyers, it's not the insurance companies, it's the providers!

I don't completely discount what you say, but I'm sick of the finger pointing at the lawyers and malpractice carriers. There's plenty of greed from for-profit hospitals, Pharma,  and the doctors themselves that drives the costs up. Ross Perot, who didn't say much of use, pointed out in '92 that we had a national health plan, and it's a bad one. We have a system now that forces the working poor to wait until they are sick enough to go to the emergency room to get treated, or go into work and do the best acting job they can to get injuries incurred at home covered on work comp.

I agree 100% that health insurance premiums should be tax deductible. I agree that the Feds should look at using their buying power to allow individuals and small businesses to join groups and obtain low-cost coverage. I'll even say I think the Feds ought to reinsure health insurance plans and malpractice plans, and introduce some common-sense tort reform. But mostly, I also believe that firms like HCA (hello, Mr. Frist), and the actions of Big Pharma, need to come under much closer scrutiny and (gasp!) regulation. (Which reminds me, why hasn't our congress lifted re-importation restrictions?).

I also think Republicans ought to be forced to defend their "We want American Health, not European health" comments. It seems to me, taking a cue from the corporate world, that if someone has a better idea, you make the idea your own and use it. It looks to me like Europe has a better plan.

Right on, Eddie!  The truth

Right on, Eddie!  The truth is we're in a system where the rich have access to pretty good health care, but the working poor and "middle class" don't because they find the expense of preventative care (which comes out of their pockets) to be too much for their budgets. 

   Incidently, that term, "middle class", is a misnomer.  It's just a way to split the workers in this country so that they can be better controlled.  Just because you work at a clerical job, wear a lab coat, or teach school doesn't mean that you aren't a worker in this country.  Everyone who works for "the man" is working class, and, as a matter of fact, so are the small business folks who bust their butts every day.  The interests of the 'middle class' are very closly alligned with those folks who labor in traditional blue-collar occupations and are very, very different from the interests of the wealthy oligarchy who spend their time at meetings in corporate boardrooms or collecting their income from investments.  We in the "middle class" have got to realize that we're in the same catagory as 98% of the rest of the country (including Katrina survivors, for instance) when it comes to our collective interest.  We've got to stop letting the big boys jerk us around.

More on health care

You lucky stiff!  Actually, though, even those in Hawaii stand to gain.  The 'administrative costs" of typical health insurance companies with which your employers are forced to deal, whereas the same costs for medicare (government run single payer) is about 3 %.  This means your emplowers could save a bundle, and pass the savings along to the employees either in the form opf raises (not likely, I know) or increased benefits (lower co-pay and deductables).

   By the way, that link I sent you wasn't to the primary source of the data, but was a report of the report.  The actual paper was published in "Health Review", which can only be reviewed if your employer pays for the service (as hospitals, big MD firms, etc. do) or if your willing to shell out for a subscription.  I'm not, but I'm pretty sure (given the reputation of the Commonwealth Fund) that the report is citing the paper accurately.

Oops

Sorry about this posting as a new comment.  It was supposed to be a reply to Bill Harding who I sent information on sources.  Mea Culpa!

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