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DisillusionmentI hope I don't anger many people with this post but if I do I just do. There are a lot of things that have been weighing on my mind about the state of our country and our party. I am beginning to feel as if my values and views will never be represented by our party, and real change will never come to this country. I am beginning to believe that the ideals I want to fight for are not even shared by most people of my own party. I don't come about this assessment lightly. First, I supported Howard Dean in 04, and switched to John Edwards after Dean was negated by the "centerists" in our party. Neither won, and I had to hold my nose and vote for Kerry, while I watched him concede large swaths of the nation including my own state of Kentucky. He tried to run a campaign that was just barely left of the Republicans apparently led by the "experts" in the DLC, and frankly it disgusted me. Then we had the primary here in Kentucky's first last year. I worked for and really believed in a great Democrat. We had many ideas to uplift our region, and really cared about the people we were trying to represent, our neighbors. We ran a campaign based on ideas and big vision for the future. We were true Democrats, who didn't believe in backing away from our values and ran that way. In the end we were badly beaten by a candidate who had name recognition for getting beat, and in an election year that went to Democrats he got smoked by 20%, and still I get to see Ed Whitfield laughing in my face as he votes against anything that even resembles progress in this country. It was a sobering experience to see so many people that you desperately wanted to try and reach vote against you. The bitter taste has yet to leave my mouth. Then I blogged for Kentucky candidates in the general election, of which only one won, John Yarmuth. While he has been a godsend in the Congress, it was bitterly disappointing to not do better and win more seats. I contributed to a lot of candidates in that cycle, and some of them won, and we won Congress. I thought I was happy about that at first..... Then we had the shameless capitulation to Bush. The Congress we all worked so hard for flat chickened out. They refused to fight for the people that fought for them. It has been spun many ways, but it was what it was, capitulation. I was extremely angered and disappointed as were we all. Now, we have our primary starting way too early. Most anyone who has read my writing knows that I support Edwards in the primary, but I begged to not have so many states move up so the nominee would not be decided as early as last time. I thought it was very bad for our party with so many choices to choose so soon. Now it will be earlier. I felt copelled to support Edwards early, because he is the only candidate who really talks about and cares about the things that I do, and the other two just disturb me because I don't believe they are genuine. This is not just sour grapes because Edwards is trailing, but this primary is just adding more and more to my disillusionment. What I see within our very party deeply disturbs me. We have two frontrunners already annointed by the media, and they offer little of real substance. Sure, they are a great story, but where are their ideas to move us foward? How can Hillary state she believes in Bush's Global War on Terror, and that it has made us safer and actually gain ground among Democrats? How can Obama continually vote for this war, and still have Democrats say he "opposed it from the start"? How could he tank a question about the VA so badly and still be called the To me, it seems that they have already colluded together to run on a ticket, and that ticket offers me as much hope as Tom Barlow offered me running in Kentucky's first district last year. While they are constantly fawned upon by the media, they offer very little in the way of ideas and vision to repair the terrible damage of the Bush years. They seem to just say "You'll vote for me because I am not Republican and you have to". They are given a free pass to scrutiny by the press and most Democrats. Why are they above reproach? Like I said, I don't want this post to sound like sour grapes, but the one candidate who does present bold new Progressive ideas is hounded and vilified by the press, and daily has DEMOCRATS presenting right-wing talking points on him on just about every blog you go to. I know John Edwards has not been perfect in the past, but he has admitted his mistakes, and presents a Progressive message NOW. He has presented many proposals on his website that represent the way I feel almost perfectly on every issue, yet he is ridiculed within my own Party, and those that don't ridicule just ignore. I remember growing up and loving history and just idolizing John and Robert Kennedy. That, added with the fact that my dad always told me how he was a Democrat, and so was his dad, and his dad before that, and so on made me always want to be a Democrat. When I got older, I realized that in modern history the Democrats have fought for what I believed more times than not, and I could be proud of being part of the big tent. Now, the Kennedys lay in the ground slain(I won't get started on that!!), and my forefathers are long dead too. I am beginning to believe that the vision they had about what our party should be and do is just as dead as they are. I feel I have been right here, a proud Democrat fighting for what proud Democrats fight for while most of my party has moved away from me into some centerist fantasy land that never existed and never will. I guess what this all boils down to is that I am tired of having to hold my nose and vote for people who don't even care to represent what I really believe and fight for it. I am tired of being told I must vote for someone who is a Democrat, but is afraid to be one. I am tired of being told what I believe doesn't matter. I am coming to believe that the lesser of two evils is still evil. I honestly do not want to leave my party but more and more everyday I feel like my party is leaving me, and moving into a place I can't follow or won't.
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>I am tired of being told I must vote for someone who is a Democrat, but is afraid to be one.
You certainly nailed the situation. Between Madam Speaker Pelosi taking impeachment "off the table," and then removing from the appropriations bill the requirement that Bush go to Congress for authorization to attack Iran, and Reid roaring when he should stifle, and stifling when he should roar, well, trust me, I do know your feeling. You are not alone, whatever small comfort THAT is.
Thanks Chip
I was pretty sure I wasn't alone, I just had to get it off my chest.
Those democrats are gone
Along with the union men of yesterday. The raygun era made it popular to be a republican and acceptable to disrespect all others. How....really can a person speak disrespectfully of Jimmy Carter..consider his IQ and and accomlishments and still praise bush.
They must feel the pain before they will change....middle and voting America is still in the clutches of the republican lie campaign.....they own the news...they own the companies that voters work for and that's that.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-Abraham Lincoln
Almost all of these pretty faces stomping up and down...
proclaiming themselves to be the saviors of America are not facing up what needs to really be done.
The grassroots of the party knows what has to happen, but the candidates and the bloggers are issuing just so much swamp gas. Thats the way I see it. We are being forced to choose between the worthless and the most worthless.
The almost endless list of petitions, emails, letters, conventions, that have taken place and have been accomplished have done nothing to convince most of our leadership that we the people want some action--that it is time for them to EARN the money they have been paid over the past several years to quit hiding and come out being forceful and blunt.
I join in the mutual disgust.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
I understand your frustration
and I share it.
Like you, I don't want to abandon my party, as the alternatives are
unthinkable choices to run our country.
Look what they have done since 2001.
But I'm tired of our Democratic leaders not
acting like Democratic leaders.
Now is not the time to " play it safe"
and sacrifice Democratic values and goals for
good percentages in the polls.
The fact is we want leaders.
Decisive, clear leadership would boost their
ratings.
Edwards is a great candidate.
My first choice is Gore, who is not running.
Would those who ridicule and trash Edwards and other
Democratic candidates come up with viable alternatives.
OK- we know what the problem is so--
WHAT'S THE SOLUTION?
All bitching with no solution= getting nowhere, fast.
Here's Are Some of My Solutions
1) Coalesce with the conservatives and most anyone else who is against illegal immigration to Impeach Bush & Company. If we are looking for a lightning rod to mobilize the impeachment movement - THIS IS IT. The only way to end the war now is to impeach. There are no alternatives.
2) Enforce the existing immigration laws - all of them, especially the ones that apply to corporate and business interests. Fine them and jail them. They are the ones profiting from the exploitation of cheap labor. Stop that, and the illegals will find their way back across the border. Deport those that don't.
3) Put current legislators on notice that they are not their own masters, and neither are the corporate lobbyists whose teat they're sucking. We, the people, are. We need term limits. Maybe every single one of them needs to be replaced, since they all are finding a comfortable excuse not to do the people's business. If the damn system is unwieldy, simplify it. We live in a complex world, and these guys are burdened with fundraising when they should be reading, studying, thinking, legislating on the people's behalf.
4) A corporation is NOT a person. Their interests do not precede ours as citizens. Level the playing field - pass legislation that makes their legal status as a business entity crystal clear.
5) We've tried campaign reform; it doesn't work. (If it did, we wouldn't be sitting here in this pile of fascist crap that we're wallowing in now). Stop it. Make it illegal - with big penalties, including losing the right to run for office.
It's time for public campaign financing, so the Mike Gravel's and Ron Paul's can still be heard. Stop these farcical debates. Give candidates a list of 10 topics to address to begin with and let them address them on paper, publish them; then show the videos before primaries. Study public campaign financing and come up with a workable, equitable system.
6) Make civics fashionable again. Teach it in schools. Teach it to adults. Do civics snippets where people gather. Reawaken the American soul, that we all know what it is to be American, so we can be proud of it again. We need to study and teach about our great republic with its democratic traditions.
None of the above are going to happen
The title of this thread is disillusionment.
1 bush will not be impeached. This war will not end for many years. Corporations run America and it's good for business. You have to stop deluding yourself into believing that you can elect someone who will make these changes....their vote is for sale as soon as they get there and it's legal
2 Corporate America likes the arrangment...it's not going to change.
3 Who's going to do that?
4 Legally a corporation is a person.....who's going to change that
5 When did we try that.....last I heard the lobby system was still in place and legal
6 The soul of Americans can be summed up in a religious commutity that is pro-life & pro captial punishment
Where pray tell are the leaders who are capable and willing to do any of these things....marginalized like Jimmy Carter....Michael Moore, etc. The American people want to kick ass and will follow those leaders forsaking their own security, privacy, etc.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-Abraham Lincoln
I was responding to kwalf's question about solutions
The title of the thread is 'Disillusionment',
but by no means does that limit the discussion to
what is wrong and why it is wrong.
We know that already.
Instead, Chip offered good solutions, something we need more of.
Whether they would work or not remains to be seen, not shot down
before they can even fly the coop.
How about offering some solutions, yourself?
So far, all I've heard from you is how things will never change
and are going to hell in a handbasket.
WTH?
Again, we need to focus on solutions, as hard as that might be.
We already know what the problems are.
Those actually
Seem like 6 really good solutions to me. Whether or not it will ever happen is not really relevant. A man (or a woman), is what they fight for. I just worry as a whole our party doesn't fight for much anymore. Those are 6 good things to fight for.
Gore
Is a good candidate to. I wish if he was going to run again he would've done it last time. I still like him though and if he got in now he would automatically be my second choice.
He saved LBL from privitization along with a Kentucky Senator named Wendell Ford. We sure miss him. Anyway, I remember that and it personally affected me and Al Gore helped us out and I never forgot that. That is why is perplexed me he didn't ever come to West Ky and Tn during the campaign of 00, and try to point out he had helped the citizens here as a Senator. It might have got him a few votes to have made TN competitive, but who knows.
This post wasn't meant to be a Edwards backer type thing, but that is part of the reason I feel alienated. He made mistakes, but isn't what he is talking about now what we really believe in? A lot of Democratic bloggers don't realize that when they blog for a candidate by slinging mud on one that talks about things I believe in it alienates me.
It alienates me, also.
Attacks on good people have that effect on me.
Expanding the lobby system was the solution
Until representatives represent.....when every vote is for sale....
Who do we blame for our current position in the world.....they did it with the cooperation of the American people and they will not change until they are personally affected. Democrats not only went along with it but they had oportunities to change it and did nothing.
How many republicans do I know who thought they had good health insurance until they really needed it have now changed who they support.....some but not enough.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-Abraham Lincoln
My apology
I'm sorry I vented here....I have just been exactly where the poster of this thread pointed for so long now and it just came out...there is of course always hope.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-Abraham Lincoln
Its OK
Steve, if I can vent you can too. Its only fair.
Them the people
Boy, if this were a disillusionment contest, I would be running neck and neck with the most hopeless. It's the innate warrior in me that keeps scrapping, even when I have zero hope. Go down swinging I guess. And what makes me feel most forelorn and lost are those Americans who are still falling for the Republican lies, happily falling I might add. Who are they? They're all around, as far as the eye can see; in every state and community, there is always a wide swath of idiots who could care less about our country becoming a police state, or the world burning up. And unbelievably these people are just as affected by the terrible wrongs as we warriors for truth and justice. They don't have health care, their kids are left behind in school, their having to work two jobs now, their privacy is being taken away, and on and on. The Republicans know this; so do the DLC Democrats, and they use the mass ignorance and apathy to their advantage. We speak of " the people" as if we just can't catch a break, but in truth, it's the people, a lot of them anyway who are responsible for this fiasco. That's what really makes me disillusioned. If it were otherwise, and I felt that there truly was a common cause throughout the land, then I would not lose hope, but would fight to the death.
Once again
A simply awesome reply SLadd. We must have a lot in common, because just about everything I have ever seen you write on here I have completely agreed with. Very well spoken!!
If we really must declare war on something all the time in this country, I say the next war should be on idiocy!!
War on idocy
Great idea RDillon; that's the real war we should all be fighting. But it's a neverending war. George Washington had to fight this war too, saying of the New England populace that they "...have an unaccountable form of stupidity...." So, who is an idiot and who isn't? Sometimes I am, for supporting politicians, believing that one or the other will be honest. I've done it many times over the years, beginning with Eugene McCarthy. Now I'm doing it with Edwards. I've whittled my criteria for judging idiots ( including myself ) down to this: telling the truth to one's self. Those people who do that at least have a chance to tell the truth to others, those who don't can only lie. I think and feel that Edwards does this, that he goes inward to access and reaccess his thoughts and motivations, with much help from his wife Elizabeth. It's like going into the basement with God , where there is no chance to rationalize or justify or make excuses, and coming out of there renewed. Overall, Americans don't do this. There are many who do of course, but the greater majority do not. As a nation, we are hunkered-down with a tight grip on illusion. War on idiocy is a weird war because the enemy ( sometimes ourselves ) refuses to be the enemy. Most opponents acknowledge and revel in being 'the other side' but nobody wants to be an idiot. Except George Bush; he likes it.
Solutions are
Check off all the old Dems not "in touch" and get rid of them. Talk on a Republican site and tell them to rid the country who values big business instead of education and border protection.
Run some new Dems in those Repuglican states, who are about the people's business and change in DC.
Make sure they know it and ask them to take a pay cut til the Katrina people are restored to their homes.
Tell them Democrats we are a party of laws and will not tolerate special interest devaluing the American Worker with cheaper wages and profits for corporations only, in this country.
That is how we became great. Being able to pay our bills and live within our budgets to educate our children.
And Most Important, TELL THEM TO IMPEACH ON THE GROUNDS OF MALFEASENSE.
AMERICA FIRST! WHO COMES FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG?
mommapanther