Now that the empiracle data is coming out, we need to reconsider our views of this election. At first I thought that America chose Bush but now it seems that Bush made the choice for America. We need to get down to the bottom of these wild numbers and we need to mobilize the party.

So far all the evidence of fraud has been anecdotal but there is one group that is getting the hard evidence--and it's there--Blackboxvoting.org. Blackbox voting needs to raise $50,000 to file freedom of info act requests for as quickly as possible to pay for records and the fees some states charge for them. They launched one major FOIA action last night, and have two more on the way, pell-mell. Now is the time. If you can't donate funds http://www.eservicescorp.com/form.aspx?fID=912, please donate time. E-mail to join the Cleanup Crew (you don't have to be computer scientists to help, they need some grunt work too)-- crew@blackboxvoting.org

They also need lawyers, computer scientists, media. See http://blackboxvoting.org

Black Box Voting (.ORG) is conducting the largest Freedom of Information action in history. At 8:30 p.m. Election Night, Black Box Voting blanketed the U.S. with the first in a series of public records requests, to obtain internal computer logs and other documents from 3,000 individual counties and townships. Networks called the election before anyone bothered to perform even the most rudimentary audit.

We've been seeing some great efforts to audit the (s)election results. Yours is certainly top tier.

But I think something necessary is missing that could help engage other in the effort and even inform our actions. Particularly your FOIA requests.

I think all, who like you and I, refuse to let this second act of treason pass need to understand and project the narrative form what actions were taken to steal the election this time. How differed from the last time: to try to avoid both the detection and the successful legal challenge that they had to overcome last time.

The narrative is this:

>>What they learned for last time is that simply spoiling ballots won't get the job done. That can be detected and remedied. They need a more comprehensive plan of attack. Their plan was to reduce the number of Dems who were able to vote: long lines, faulty machines, late absentee ballot delivery, dumping college registrations, etc.. But in ways that defy quantification.

What they added this time was also a false "turnout" on their own side. This involved pumping an extra 10-15K "votes" in counties where they could get away with it. Part of the scam was to file large numbers of false registrations. Recall they spent weeks calling this a "crime" by Dems. Why would they think is such a bad crime? It's not as if Dick Tracy was going to show up to vote. They considered this a crime because they were doing it with criminal intent. So their false turnout would not be detected. (cont'd below)

If you let them get away with this scale of fraud YET AGAIN you really get what you deserve!
But I'm already sure what the democratic party leader's opinion on this subject is:
"Well, if our political counterparts feel like using fraud as a political instrument, well, you know, we'll just have to tolerate this. Let's not, like, make a fuss about this, you know?"
It's your choice: Go before the courts, get on the streets and don't back down before you throw this fascist regime out of office or you will always stay the "aging liberal hippie douches" that every "pissed-off white-trash redneck conservative" rightly makes fun of.

All the best from Germany!

Please look at this pdf document. You may have to cut and paste. Perhaps some of this noise is starting to pay off.

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf

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Why this is MOST important is that we MUST also demand that registration lists be released. And that they be audited by contacting real people, and not just assuming that Rep claims of "culture voters" or "gay marriage voters" or "the success of our Reg/GOTV" are factually accurate. This method of registering and voting non-persons is something they are very experienced at, particularly in FL. Just look at the results from Escambia, Duval, Clay, Collier, and other Rep dominated counties. Their "results" defy common sense and must be audited/confirmed.

But please, help disseminate the "narrative" of this conspiracy. It makes it much easier for people to map the individual incidents and hold fast to their belief in a second treasonous election theft.

It will be invaluable if (as is most likely) we need to make our stand on a political/p.r. basis come Jan. 6th 2005. That is the day that ANY and ALL crimes against our democracy can be rendered null by simply getting the public and congress to apply a just result by disallowing tainted electors.

Thank you for your stellar efforts.

I agree that the Rep dominated counties should be audited. It looks like ES&S voting machines are being used in FL just like here in TX. Within this year, the major companies had to certify their product "for use in elections in TX." However, the ES&S system raised some major security concerns regarding the examiners.

1. They tested two types of pens, Bic Round Stic Medium and a Sharpie to mark their ballot. They found that both pens had serious problems, the same scanner did not read the markings consistently. Even with perfect marks, the scanner still had problems.

2. The voting machines where too complex. One report said the "operator had difficulty uploading the results." The reason for the problem explained by ES&S, the results were already read [by the central database server] therefore the status flag in the database had to be "cleared" manually. A potential of votes being counted twice.

3. That so called "glitch" about adding more votes in Palm Beach County, is not a glitch. In fact, ES&S requires that whenever a machine in being booted-up, the person "manually" has to reset the count back zero. As one examiner put it, "Sooner or later an election will be tainted because an operator forgot to zero the results. I can not imagine a senario where ballots or results should not be cleared upon starting election-day voting or tabulation." I can imagine one or two times you do not want to clear the results; when you are losing an election and you need to cheat.

I wonder how the examiner in TX feels right now, knowing that this machine had problems, yet it received cretification. Well my friends, I guess a tainted election came sooner than he thought.

I guess my question is, with all this evidence, we are the only ones angry. I mean come on, Clinton gets a blow-job and it was impeachment time. This is down right lies to the American people, both Democrats and Republicans. This is the stuff Tricky Dick did and he left office. We should be marching and protesting. Hell, we tell other countries to protest when their votes are taken away. Why not us? What makes us different? I guess violating Christian morals out-weighs breaking ethical values when it comes to getting the President out of office.

Quite simply if this is true it is amazing it has had NO media coverage. Big guns like Jimmy Carter and Micahael more need to get involved and 54,000,000,000 should be working our way to the capital RIGHT NOW. I'm assuming the numbers you've posted arre true and if so they can be intepreted NO OTHER way then massive fraud. It shoulkd be easy to verify. I'd like to go to say..Liberty County Florida and just do a straw poll to see if the number jive.

Have you contacted the media or your local senator with this information??? Where are all the Kerry supporters.

George

The proof is mounting. I'd like to direct you all to the letter written by Conyers, Nadler and Wexler to the Government Accounting Office on Friday. http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf

The House Committe on the Judiciary/Democratic Members' website is this:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/index.html

How about we call them up on Monday and find out where this thing is/may be going...and find out what we, the people can do to keep the momentum going forward. I don't care what they say about not focusing on this election...we NEED to focus on this election and see if we can right a WRONG.

Let's do this and keep each other posted on what activities are going on.

I agree and think if we can find proof we should do something. This is our country and we are sitting back and doing nothing while it is being stolen from us. We let Bush get away with it in 2000 , but not this time. If our forefathers had not stood up to the British and fought for freedom where would we be and by doing nothing about this stealing of America , we are dishonoring the bloodshed of our forefathers and every freedom fighter and soldier who has fought for this counutry over the years. They may not have fouhgt on our soil in all the wars , but they fought for our liberties and our freedoms just the same. We have erected monuments in their honor but what action are we taking? This election was bought and paid for and that violates the rights of every American. Bush has no right to steal our country from us and take us back to the dark ages of slavery and divide us once again into the haves and have-nots, he has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body and he has no right to tell a person who they can and cannot love. He is not God as he seems to think and it is time someone breaks the news to him. If we sit and do nothing we deserve what is coming from him over the next 4 years. It is up to us to get the word out, get the masses togehter and if necessary, start a second civil war with words and facts and numbers and the truth .

As a computer programmer, when I saw the number "32000" in regard to Broward county, alarm bells went off. This is an entirely plausible error in Broward that must be corrected.

A quick trip down Binary Math lane: You may often hear that computers work with "16 bit", "32 bit" and even "64 bit" values - but what does it mean? In one meaning, they are representations of the largest Binary number that a program can work with without special exceptions. A popular size for storing numbers in a computer is 16 bits. A 16 bit number can store 65536 unique values. That means that you could store any number between 0 and 65535.

But what about negative numbers? What if you want to represent numbers like "-2" or "-1000"? Then you use what are called "signed" numbers. You still get 65536 unique values, but their RANGE is from -32768 to +32767.

As the vote-counting computer merrily chugs away, it reaches 32767 votes, the maximum in a SIGNED 16 bit variable. After that, unpredictable results could happen. An error might be generated, the counter might get stuck, or WORSE, it could wrap around to -32768, creating a NEGATIVE vote total.

Now, it may be fair the the original designers of this equipment never anticipated 32000+ votes in a single precint for a single race, but using SIGNED 16bit integers sounds like a common mistake to me. They should have used UNSIGNED, which would essentially double the vote counting capacity.

 - Bob Richardson

 Portland, OR

Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.
And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm and noticed something startling.

While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios matched the Kerry/Bush vote, and so did the optically-scanned paper ballots in the larger counties, in Florida's smaller counties the results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been reversed.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

In Washington, Democrats lost the presidency in 2000 and the Congress in 2002. This week's election confirmed both those losses. But they have given Democrats a new freedom from all the political constraints of Washington incumbency that for so long kept us from speaking clearly about our values and ideas, while reinforcing Republican claims that we are addicted to the power of big government.
1. It's time to use that freedom. Republicans are now responsible for all the policy failures and special interest dominated procedures of the most powerful central government this side of Beijing. Surveys consistently show that roughly a third of Americans don't know which party controls Congress. How often did you hear Democrats talk about one-party domination of Washington during the last campaign? Not remotely as often, we'd bet, as you heard Republicans, from the president on down, talk about Democrats as the big-government party. That needs to change right away. We need to stop acting like a "shadow government" that's just patiently waiting for the opportunity to get back into power and return to business-as-usual. Washington needs fixing, on a very basic level, and Democrats need to become not an impotent minority party with no agenda other than obstructing the worst excesses of a newly emboldened GOP, but a positive insurgency committed to a whole host of reforms. Here are some of the reforms we will be talking about in much greater detail in the days ahead:
Political Reform. Our political system is bruised and perhaps broken, leading to campaigns that are expensive, negative, intensely partisan, full of dirty tricks, and tilted for no good reason to a handful of "battlegrounds." We need to champion election reform to ensure a reasonably uniform set of rules for how Americans register, vote, and have their votes counted. We need redistricting reform to avoid the growing phenomenon, in both the U.S. House and many state legislatures, of politicians choosing voters rather than voters choosing politicians. We need open primaries to enfranchise independents and break the grip of organized special interests on the nominating process and the parties. And yes, we need another and more effective round of campaign finance reform and ethics reform to break the toxic cycle that lets people like Tom DeLay hustle lobbyists for campaign cash and even jobs for Republicans in exchange for access to the legislative process. While we can disagree on the details, there is no principled reason for Democrats to oppose any of these reforms, since Republicans will always have an advantage in a system that puts a premium on the ruthless exercise of institutional and financial power.
Budget Reform. As nearly every Democrat on the campaign trail said this year, Republicans have deliberately created a fiscal train wreck that threatens economic growth while damaging the ability of the federal government to meet critical national challenges.
It's time for Democrats to aggressively champion budget reforms, including a restoration of budget controls like spending caps and pay-as-you-go. But Democrats should go further and demand an assault on corporate welfare in the tax code and federal programs; a ban on "earmarks" in spending bills that let Members send pork back home; a crackdown on or even an abolition of the power of appropriations committees; and other dramatic steps. This is not just a matter of "good government"; these reforms go to the heart of the fiscal irresponsibility in Washington.
Tax Reform. Americans hate the complexity of the federal tax system, and Republicans are certain to continue their bait-and-switch strategy of exploiting this sentiment to propose an elimination of progressive taxation and a shift in the tax burden from income earned by wealth to income earned by work. Democrats should champion their own tax reform agenda, not only resisting regressive Republican proposals and opposing further efforts to increase the deficit through tax cuts, but also calling for the consolidation of tax breaks for middle-class families into four broad areas: retirement savings, college costs, incentives for homeownership, and support for families.
Social Insurance Reform. With the baby boom retirement on the horizon, the nation is headed toward a jarring collision between generations. Because Social Security and Medicare costs are programmed to grow automatically -- at a time when Bush's fiscal policies have all but bankrupted the government -- the boomers' retirement will put a python-like squeeze on programs for today's working families and children, and indeed everything else government does. Democrats must reject Bush's phony privatization panacea, but they need more than a "Just Say No" approach to Social Security and entitlement reform in general. Democrats need to develop progressive plans to modernize our social insurance system so that they can defend the living standards of today's workers while honoring our commitment to tomorrow's retirees. At stake is not simply the solvency of our retirement system and our federal government, but the interests and political loyalties of millions of younger middle-class voters who increasingly believe their current earnings and their own retirement security will be sacrificed to keep the old system going for a few more decades.
This kind of "reform insurgency" agenda would help decisively recast Democrats as a party of progressive change and national purpose rather than as a status quo party wedded to old programs and listening only to organized special interests and narrowly targeted constituencies. And it would help Democrats recapture the ability to speak to the country in terms of their vision, their values, and their broad goals, instead of the Washington code language of programs.
This last point is especially important because Republicans in Congress can be expected to frame every debate and every vote in a way that casts Democrats as obstructionists with no ideas of their own. Precisely because Democrats, especially in the Senate, may be forced to use the limited prerogatives of
the minority to stop right-wing outrages, they need a positive message that reaches beyond the Beltway to the vast majority of Americans who don't understand or care about the partisan maneuvering on Capitol Hill. Moreover, a clear, values-based message would be invaluable in reducing the "culture gap" that reflects the persistent fear that Democrats live in a different moral universe than the middle-class voters whose interests we claim to champion.
1. It's even possible that a reform agenda could produce unexpected alliances with those Republicans -- including moderates marginalized by the conservative ascendancy in the GOP, and "deficit hawks" who are increasingly alarmed by the abandonment of the age-old Republican commitment to fiscal responsibility -- who no longer believe that party loyalty demands pretending that everything's peachy in Washington.
But whether or not it produces legislative victories in Congress, I believe Democrats need to embrace the "outsider" status to which they have been consigned, and treat it as an opportunity to get on the offensive again as true progressives.

An entire part of this website should be given over to organizing meaningful voter reform. This is the only issue that's top tier until it's resolved. period.
Second, an entire section should be devoted to campaign finance.
Third, all those who are not part of the group should be kicked out. period. A couple days after this election and we have to put up this??
Fourth we should put together a very very basic platform that all democrats can rally around during these next four years. We all have a variety of commitments, just like the Republicans. I might want to only protest war, you might be upset about Bush's tax insanity, whatever, perhaps we need to have another web site that's for anti-Bush sentiment rather than pro-democrat, we have four long years to go and the more people we can mobilize against his policies the better. We can 't rely on just the people who have always done the e-mailing, calling, protesting.
For me the reason I will do something on the Innaug Day is because of the war. The war is wrong, the war is killing innocents, our war policy is bad for soldiers and bad for our country. We have to protest the war policies.
F--- unity. The last election was stolen. PERIOD. We still haven't gotten justice on that. When things are stolen you don't unite, you protest. For me this whole uniting thing is fascism. period. When something is wrong you don't go along!!!!!!!

I do not support Kerry or Bush. Both parties are doing the same thing-slowly destroying the Constitution. They all sit back as they allow a cover up of 911, and an illegal war. You think they will really help investigate the voter fraud? This investigation should be kept in the hands of the people. Bev Harris, and other organizations like legit government, should handle this. Look what happened with the whitewash 911 Commission. I find it scary that people believe the 911 report. If the House Rep Democrats start an investigation with the gao, they will sabotage it. Do not let the government take over. Most of the debating between Dems and Reps is staged, or have you not figured that out yet? They are all in bed together, they are the enemies of this nation. The number of congress members that stand by the people and uphold the Constitution, can be counted on one hand. Skull and Bones rigged this election, that is why brother Kerry stepped down so fast for brother Bush. When are you people going to wake up and see all the elite Masonic Orders, that run this nation? Wake up! We now have the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security. This is Nazi Germany all over again. The only thing you have to fear is this government which has destroyed America and the Constitution it was founded on.  Start thinking for yourselves, and get your news from independent, reliable sources. Sources that have our rights and nation in mind, not the elite traitors and corporations. Stop watching the TV News, and listening to Radio Hosts carried by the same TV Network affiliates. http://whatreallyhappened.com/index.html http://www.antiwar.com/

Kerry's concession has no legal bearing on who wins the election. Ohio has been using and counting provisional ballots the exact same way for the past 10 elections. Ohio and Federal law dictate that the state will wait 10 days and then begin counting the provisional ballots. All valid provisional ballots will be counted. The winner of the state of Ohio shall not be considered official until such time as all provisional ballots have been counted.If Kerry is found to win Ohio, regardless of his public concession, he will win the election.

WHY IS THE MEDIA NOT REPORTING THIS?
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There remain a couple of questions though. As of yesterday, Secretary of State Blackwell said there were about 175,000 provisional ballots, but that didn't include about 10 counties that hadn't turned theirs in yet. Did those counties include huge democratic stronghold and highly populated Cuyahuga county, that contains Cleveland?

Separately, we have Florida, which had approximately 1.5 Million provisional and absentee ballots to be dealt with -- and the margin of Bush's victory there is 377,206, a much smaller percentage of the outstanding votes.... Of course, in Florida, it depends on whether judges extended the legal deadline, and I don't know what the results of those court cases were/are.

In either case -- Kerry's concession speech is not legally binding -- if the final count has Kerry winning Ohio or Florida, he will get those Electoral Votes, and the Presidency.

I've found a very unusual voting pattern in Florida this election cycle. There is a dramatic drop-off between votes cast for President and votes cast for Senate. In particular, the statewide drop-off down ballot for the Republican candidate, Mel Martinez, is almost 300,000 votes. Martinez only received 92% of the Bush vote. By contrast, in neighboring Georgia which held a very similar Senate race to fill a vacated seat, the Republican candidate, Isakson, had only a 50,000 state-wide drop off in votes, he received 97% of the Bush vote.

I believe that as many as 200,000 Bush votes could have been distributed around Florida on a county by county basis to pad the Bush lead and take the wind out of the Kerry campaign sails. It worked. Try to find a paper trail.

For example, Bush supposedly pulled 73,000 more votes than Martinez in Hillsborough, Pinella and Sarasota counties alone, an extremely unusual pattern. This is made more unusual by the fact that Florida had a hotly contested Senate race between Betty Castor and Martinez.

Even though there is inevitably some drop-off down ballot in most general elections and there is some ticket splitting, this is an extremely large margin in light of how hotly contested the Senate race was. However, these large discrepancies would be consistent with large blocks of Bush votes, and only Bush votes and none down ballot, being distributed around the state to "friendly" counties in an effort to not be detected.

Bush still wins Florida, but much more closely, 51-49.

There is a strong case for prima facie fraud in the Florida election. What the pattern of county votes reveal is a suspicion of the optical scanners and the idea that somehow 90% of Democrats in these counties voted against party lines. This in the face of the fact that people tend to vote with their party 90% of the time. Compare the bottom line actual votes vs. expected votes which is derived from party affiliation. In e-voting counties there is a parallel increase for Democrats and Republicans. In the optical scanner counties, amounting to 600,000 increased votes, all of the increase is for the Republican side.

Perhaps you can convince me that all these people were somehow swayed, but I first like to see the mainstream media try. That is the most important outcome here. This cannot be ignored. It is enough for a prima facie case.

I think there were numerous voting irregularities in Florida and Ohio, but -- after analyzing the data concerning the allegations about optical scan voting machines in Florida -- I do not believe that there is credible evidence of widespread election fraud (in this matter at least). I reached this conclusion reluctantly, believe me.

My analysis is at www.battlebunny.org: "Did Republicans steal the Florida election by rigging optical-scan voting machines?". Here's the permalink.

I've taken a lot of flak from my readers for posting this analysis. Still, for me, this election was partly about the astounding lack of honesty, accountability, and rationality in our civic affairs. I'm not about to give up on my principles just because I'm (still) incredibly pissed off.

If you disagree with my analysis (and please do), show me where I'm wrong.

Best wishes,
Bryan (a.k.a. The Blue Bunny of Battle -- formerly the Pink Bunny of Battle - the color change took place on November 2, 2004).

www.battlebunny.org

You make a strong case, but some of it hinges on methodologies that you are guilty of too. Namely, if you can show me that there was a similar voting pattern across all the counties by supposed "Democrats" in 2000, then I will be more convinced. You only state two counties of the panhandle, when we are dealing with 40 or so.

find proof of that probably won't happen. Yet, they can't prove they didn't. The only thing that will fix this, is the people DEMANDING a paper trail.