Another Botched Hanging, Saddam's Brother Loses His Head
The only good thing (for the US and Iraqi puppet gov't) is that a video of this botched hanging hasn't been released into the wilds of the internet, yet, like what occured with the "death squad" lynchin' of Saddam...
Sunnis blast hanging of 2 Saddam aides
BAGHDAD, Iraq - (AP) The Iraqi government's attempt Monday to close a chapter on Saddam Hussein's repressive regime — by hanging two of his henchmen — only appeared to anger many of Saddam's fellow Sunni Muslims after the former leader's half brother was decapitated on the gallows. A thickset Barzan Ibrahim plunged through the trap door and was beheaded by the jerk of the thick beige rope at the end of his fall, in the same the execution chamber where Saddam was hanged a little over two weeks earlier.A government video of the hanging, played at a briefing for reporters, showed Ibrahim's body passing the camera in a blur. The body came to rest on its chest while the severed head lay a few yards away, still wearing the black hood pulled on moments before by one of Ibrahim's five masked executioners.... (more)
The decapitation appeared inadvertent, and Iraqi officials seemed anxious to prove they hadn't mutilated Ibrahim's remains....
....While Ibrahim's body was wrenched apart by the execution, his co-defendant, Awad Hamed al-Bandar, head of Saddam's Revolutionary court, died as expected — swinging at the end of a rope. Both men met death at 3 a.m. wearing reddish orange prison jumpsuits.
Prosecutor Jaafar al-Moussawi, who witnessed the hangings, said Ibrahim looked tense and protested his innocence as he was brought into the chamber. The condemned man had once ran Saddam's feared security agency, the Mukhabarat.
"I did not do anything," al-Moussawi quoted Ibrahim as saying. "It was all the work of Fadel al-Barrak." Al-Barrak ran two intelligence departments in Saddam's feared Mukhabarat.
Saddam was hanged amid shouted taunts and insults from Shiite witnesses — a scene Iraqi officials said was not repeated Monday.
All three executions took place in Saddam-era military intelligence headquarters, located in the north Baghdad neighborhood of Kazimiyah, a Shiite area.
By day's end at least 3,000 angry Sunnis, many firing guns in the air, others weeping or cursing the government, assembled for the burials of Ibrahim and al-Bandar in Saddam's hometown of Ouja, near Tikrit, 80 miles north of Baghdad.
"Where are those who cry out in demands for human rights?" Marwan Mohammed, one of the mourners, asked in grief and frustration. "Where are the U.N. and the world's human rights organizations? Barzan had cancer. They treated him only to keep him alive long enough to kill him. We vow to take revenge, even if it takes years."... (full report)
By STEVEN R. HURST - Associated Press correspondents Bassem Mroue and Qassim Abdul-Zahra contributed to this report.
Also of great interest are Qassim Abdul-Zahra's first two draft reports immediately following the hanging/beheading. Grab 'em before they swirl down the memory hole..
Saddam Half Brother, Ex-Official Hanged
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, The Associated Press
Jan 15, 2007 4:14 AM (2 hrs 34 mins ago)
Current rank: # 26 of 11,379 articlesBAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein's half brother and the former head of Iraq's Revolutionary Court were hanged before dawn Monday, two weeks and two days after the former Iraqi dictator was executed in a chaotic scene that has drawn worldwide criticism.
In confirming the executions, government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the head of one of the accused, Barzan Ibrahim, had been severed during the hanging in what he called "a rare incident."
But he stressed that all laws and rules were respected during the proceedings, choosing his words carefully after Saddam's execution became an unruly scene that brought worldwide criticism of the Iraqi government. Video of the execution, recorded on a cell phone camera, showed the former dictator being taunted on the gallows.
"Those present signed documents pledging not to violate the rules or otherwise face legal penalties. All the people present abided by the government's rule and there were no violations," he said, adding the hangings occurred at 3 a.m. "No one shouted slogans or said anything that would taint the execution. None of those charged were insulted."... (full report)
Saddam Half Brother, Ex-Official Hanged
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, The Associated Press
Jan 15, 2007 3:32 AM (3 hrs ago)
Current rank: # 7 of 11,347 articlesBAGHDAD, Iraq - The half brother of Saddam Hussein, along with the former head of Iraq's Revolutionary Court, were hanged before dawn Monday, a government spokesman said. The executions came two weeks after Saddam's chaotic hanging, which provoked widespread criticism of the Iraqi government.
Barzan Ibrahim, Saddam's half brother and former intelligence chief, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, head of Iraq's Revolutionary Court, were found guilty along with Saddam in the killing of 148 Shiite Muslims after a 1982 assassination attempt on the former leader in Dujail, north of Baghdad.
Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh confirmed the executions took place, saying those attending the hangings included a prosecutor, a judge and a physician.
He also said Ibrahim's head was severed from his body during his hanging.
"In a rare incident, the head of the accused Barzan Ibrahim al-Hassan was separated from his body during the execution," al-Dabbagh told reporters.
The executions reportedly occurred in the same Saddam-era military intelligence headquarters building in north Baghdad where the former leader was hanged two days before the end of 2006, according to an Iraqi general, who would not allow use of his name because he was not authorized to release the information. The building is located in the Shiite neighborhood of Kazimiyah.
The two men were to have been hanged along with Saddam on Dec. 30, but Iraqi authorities decided to execute Saddam alone on what National Security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie called a "special day."
Last week, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani urged the government to delay the executions.
"In my opinion we should wait," Talabani said Wednesday at a news conference with U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad. "We should examine the situation," he said without elaborating.
Saddam's execution became an unruly scene that brought worldwide criticism of the Iraqi government. Video of the execution, recorded on a cell phone camera, showed the former dictator being taunted on the gallows.... (full report)
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I'm not sure just why this is newsworthy...
one of the reasons for the discontinuance of executions by hanging was the sometimes failure of the system due to miscalculation on the part of the hangman.
Wasn't very long ago, here in the states, that a very obese individual decided to die by firing squad(Utah) rather than be hanged because he and the hangman both, came to the conclusion that he would lose his head in the process.
Theoretically at least, once the weight of the miscreant had been arrived at, the length of the drop was calculated. We are talking about modern times here, not the old traditional methods of execution by hanging. The old 'traditional' methodology was death by strangulation. The condemned was simply hoisted into the air and died relatively slowly and painfully. The drop, as used today, called for particular care in noose knot placement and a drop length was calculated so that the neck was immediately broken. Up until quite recently, this procedure was considered to be 'more humane.' In this case, one could almost assume that the hangman was an amateur at the job.
Sort of strange was the choice of death by hanging in a culture that follows Shar'ia law. Beheading with a sword is still the norm, as it has been throughout both East and West Asia for thousands of years.
Saddam himself had requested death by firing squad.
Here in the West, we have gotten away from the old methods(hanging)almost entirely. We have distanced ourselves from the process by developing things like electric chairs and lethal injection--neither of which have been proven to be 'more humane.' We are now on the cusp of eliminating executions altogether, interestingly enough, not because we have problems making any system work properly, but because the legal decisions have become problematic.
Hanging, if the proper procedures are not followed, can be a real mess. We have yet to come up with a magic methodology that is both humane and also removes human participation from the process.
In this particular case, an obese individual lost his head in the process. Failure to properly place the noose, failure to calculate the length of drop were the causes.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Louis Pasteur
Because of myraid reasons
Not the least of which is (take your pick)...
a. The sheer barbarism of executing human beings in general.
b. The further escalation of hostilities and ill will the executions are causing, not only in Iraq, but throughout the Arab world.
c. The manner in which said barbarous actions have been carried out. ie: botching the job.
I could elaborate further but I'm sure you get the gist. It's obviously much more than just an OOPS, we tore his head off, too bad, move along, nothing to see here folks.
To not point out major fuck-ups by the most criminal and illegitimate gov't in the nation's history is to appease their crimes and mistakes. It is also politically advantageous for the idealogical opposition to point out said FU's.
Which brings us to the point of the title and tone of your dismissive comment.
If only only you would ever blog news items and/or opinion of your own and put them right out front for all the world to see, to let others waltz in an shit all over your efforts, besmirching your judgment or intentions, perhaps then you'd have an inkling of what your own actions feel like as suffered by your victims.
If you don't like the topics I choose to post I'd appreciate it you'd put a sock in it. Perhaps show me, and the community, what relevant news looks like by taking more positive actions like timely, pertinent forum and or blog posts, as opposed to dominating all comers with opposing viewpoints and in general discouraging full participation by our community.
CP ;>)
"I did not like fascists when I fought them as a diplomat for 23 years and I don't like them now in my own country." - retired American diplomat Joe Wilson
Much of the Western World has given up on capital...
punishment because there is too much room for error, as we have certainly seen here in the US of late. New tests have proved conclusively that too many innocents have lost their lives to incompetent judges/attorneys/police.
However, it would seem that aside from working within the confines and limitations of the UN, there is little to be done when other cultures follow other lines of thought, reason, and/or religion.
In the Muslim world, the Koran dictates precisely what happens for various levels of crimes. If one wishes to be a 'crusader,' then by all means he/she should go to those countries who choose to think differently and speak to the leaders who follow those different ideals.
It would be highly ethnocentric on our part to apply our thoughts/actions on people who think/believe other ways are better.
We have come a long way in, the west, from the public spectacles and circuses of the days of Tyburn and the French Revolution. The Muslim world is still locked religiously into the ideals of the 7th century CE. Our thoughts do not reach beyond academia/high level government in that part of the world.
Civilization after all, is just a thin veneer laid over our savage past.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Louis Pasteur
You both make
important and interesting points. If you were having a face-to-face conversation you'd find you were on common ground, but a text-based discussion can lead to blown-up disagreements over points of emphasis.
I see it the same way Bob...but the coffee table would ...
have to be outside 'cause I smoke. LOL! While you guys in NY have been enjoying summery weather, at least until quite recently, we are down around zero much of the time...about 25 degrees below normal for this time of year.
Facial expressions and body language are an important part of communication. We are lacking that here.
The Sunni mindset is a very strange one. They have no qualms about lopping off heads with a sword...but this 'accident' drives them into a fury.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Louis Pasteur
Inside or Out
It'd be inside if at my place, I smoke as well. A public spot in FL'd have to be out as they've made it all but criminal to smoke in a public building in this state.
I think Sunni reaction is as political as emotional. They're not playing all that different a game than the Bush Cabal when it comes to hate and fear mongering to bolster support...
CP ;>)
"I did not like fascists when I fought them as a diplomat for 23 years and I don't like them now in my own country." - retired American diplomat Joe Wilson